enjoyed reading those posts bds and ash....we used to do this stuff all the time in the eval threads...i love seeing how everyones draft unfolded...ill go next


round 1 - 99-00 shaq

reeeeaaalllly wanted jordan to pair with kidd(who i was almost certain i could get at 21) that would have been a killer backcourt...plenty of great froncourt options to add later with that start...after jordan went i considered moses briefly but ended up deciding between shaq and kareem...i already went over why i chose shaq on pg1

round 2 - 09-10 kidd

easy pick...best low usg pg in the sim, 3s/dreb/ast.....also knew i wouldnt have many good pg options in the 4th

round 4 - 92-93 nance

i was crushed when hardened took allen...really thought he would be here in the early 4th...that was gonna be my big 1-2 scoring punch....really wasnt sure what to do with this pick...there were a ton of high usg 3pt bomber options to replace allen at sg but i wasnt really sold on any of them....if i did take one of them later on i was gonna take g wallace in the 4th to switch on d at the 2/3...i was also absolutely gonna take amare and dominate the paint, but cjok ended that dream....i ended up deciding to go with boozer as shaqs sidekick...i chose nance so he could cover for boozer on d and because of how clean he plays....sadly i couldnt afford the 91-92 version and went with 92-93...never been a big fan of nance..he never scores or rebounds as much as id like

round 5 - 06-07 boozer

whew...still there...probably would have went with dirk(then cried when batum went right before my other 5th rounder) if he was taken...should score well playing next to shaq and gives me the big time rebounder i needed..wish he was better from the line tho

round 5 - 97-98 wesley person

never used person before...i usually want more ast% or usg% from my sg....but this felt like a good spot to use him....sooooo clean

round 6 - 85-86 jeff ruland & 96-97 nate mcmillan

ruland is the first of two bench guys that will give me 22+ usg at all times from the pf/c spots...nate gives me 10 kidd-like mins at backup pg


overall - first round knockout

i think i end up building another title team if i get shuttlesworth...but oh well....this is still a solid team... i just dont like the overall feel of it...may be weaker on the boards then i hoped for and i dont like having such low usg in my backcourt....not sure what kind of offense i can count on from nance either...shaq should be in the mvp race(if wilt allows him to)

Posted by bds9992 on 1/26/2016 10:22:00 PM (view original):
so there's really no difference between Chandler and Gobert, other than that Gobert's low salary allowed me to get Edge as well

i have this feeling you're probably right about my team, so whatever.

nah gobert is definitely better...my point was you could have waited to find your rebounder in the 3rd and used the 2nd round pick on someone else

tyson and drummond usually go in the 2nd, anyway. this was a weird draft. yeah, maybe i would've gone for Harden or Allen or somebody. i don't know

So I have one pick left, but I feel I have more explaining than anyone

1. 65-66 Wilt Chamberlain - I feel this is the best of both worlds type pick.  I get 26% usage with elite rebounding, solid defense, and passing from a big.  The free throw shooting is bad, but not as bad as it is on the high assist/lower usage seasons.  I know he is a turnover monster, but I feel there are two clear cut number one picks...LeBron and Wilt.  

A TRADE - I gave up my fourth and fifth FOR a third and sixth - My thinking here is that I can find value late in the draft.  Picking Wilt early (and I knew I was going to go with a bigger usage Wilt) is going to be 12+ Mil.  I wanted to force myself to be thrifty in later rounds so I could stick to a game plan.

2.  75-76 Bobby Jones - EFG is great, defense is elite, Rebounding is good at the SF, and he plays a somewhat clean game.

3.  86-87 Derek Harper - Plays a pretty clean game.  He can hit three's, play D, and his is OK on assists.  He fits my needs to a T.  I am not trying a State Farm approach, and I need an outside presence to balance against WIlt which leads to the next pick.... 

3.  05-06 Ray Allen - Usage and threes were the impetus for this pick.  He can also play the PG and SF if necessary.  I figure Harper can cover some for his defense.  This makes sure that other teams can't focus on paint defense against me.

6.  08-09 Troy Murphy - Yeah defense sucks, but at this point I know I have to deal with some issues.  Jones can help cover for him some there.  I do like the elite defensive boards and the threes he brings.

6.  14-15 Brandon Knight - I am going with the short season and not the full.  He gives assists and threes, and is a decent defensive option.  I am just hoping he doesn't try to switch on DeAndre Jordan again.  I do not lose much in the way of assists when he comes on the floor, and his usage will make sure I stay out of the penalty when Ray Ray comes off the floor.

6.  89-90 Larry Smith - A boards guy that would be good in a rock fight.  Low usage, high fouls. but solid rebounding.

That is my rag tag bunch, and my "logic" behind the selections

Jordan Almonds

		Name	Team	Pos	Usg	2pt	3pt	eFG	OReb	DReb	Ast	Stl	Blk
		Michael Jordan	89-90 Bulls	SG	33.7	54.5	37.9	55.0	5.0	15.1	18.1	3.1	1.0
		Bob McAdoo	73-74 Braves	C	25.1	55.5	35.9	55.4	8.7	24.1	5.7	1.0	3.8
		Joakim Noah	13-14 Bulls	C	18.8	47.3	0.0	47.5	10.7	23.0	21.4	1.7	2.6
		Jamaal Tinsley	03-04 Pacers	PG	17.6	47.0	37.2	51.8	2.3	8.8	31.6	3.0	0.8
		Alvin Robertson	89-90 Bucks	SG	20.6	51.0	15.6	50.5	9.3	14.0	20.1	3.4	0.4
		Danny Green	11-12 Spurs	SG	17.7	44.8	43.6	54.9	4.0	12.0	6.9	1.8	1.7
		Walt Williams	95-96 Heat	SF	19.7	46.7	45.2	56.7	5.4	10.5	11.2	1.9	1.3

by trading my 6th rnd pick for tinsley, it was liking moving to the front of that round rather than the end. that meant i could start alvin at pg with his 20 ast rate. his 89-90 season has very good oreb% for a pg, combined with jordan's boarding, i felt that might be a slight advantage in the backcourt, and help offset some of mcadoo's oreb shortcomings. i like noah's asts and def, and complimentary role next to mac. danny green's usg fit nicely with the other starting 4 and i needed more 3's. def is a bonus with him. combined with walt williams (66 def) and excellent efg%, they combine for 3200 mins at the no.3. i really wanted that top season of jordan's (8.0 + 8.0) for a bit of an ast bump, just couldn't make the money work. 19,234 mins.

i will hear what dh has to say.

This is my squad- same format. I like the practice of doing this...

Round 1: Dwight Howard
Cornerstone foundational big with elite defense, rebounding and paint-scoring efficiency. Wasn't taking anyone but Lebron, Wilt, Jordan or Shaq here. 100% at PF/C helps cover a weaker defensive big. 36 MPG of elite rebounding gives flexibility going forward to maybe fill a starting spot with a lighter rebounding option. Lastly, great usage start at elite efficiency. Almost definitely using 10-11 Dwight for the offensive firepower.

Round 1: Chris Paul
Glad the trade worked out- I wanted the chance to take a big/small combo with the two top tens, and chose CP3 for the flexibility he brings with the assists, 3's, extremely low TOV% and defense. Can cover SG at 96%- allows me to take a lighter DEF player at the 2. Figure shooting guards are the most plentiful position in the sim, so I could wait until the end of the draft to grab a few. Plus, my Durant DH52 team is going to give me PTSD for being light on usage and assists, so this pick makes me step back off the ledge a little bit. Using 14-15 season because it's terrific and not hard to carry financially.


Round 4: Buck Williams
This wasn't easy. There were bigs here I wanted to take and in the 52, you'd be faced with defending against Ewing/Dwight with Paul and a 3PA chucker...but if I took Ewing the rest of the team would be drafted on food stamps. Buck lets me take a player that can support the rebounding and D mission at PF or SF (to a lesser degree), giving me a chance to see who falls to the 6th. Will end up using at SF for 93-94.


Round 6: Jason Terry, Andrew Bynum, Andre Miller, David Lee
Terry is a low turnover, super-clean 2-guard who makes a fair amount of 3's at a 43% clip, can dish, and can backup CP3 as well as play 25 min at the 2. Terry is one of my favorite end of the draft guys for his low salary. Yes, he can't rebound for sh*t. 06-07 season.
Bynum was the kind of guy I wanted to fall. Two high volume efficient bigs in the paint, with efficient three point shooters making a -2/-3 difficult. Obviously, 11-12 season.
Andre Miller is 100% at PG/SG, enabling me to play with where he plays his 10 MPG- likely as a backup 2 to support the assist floor. Can't shoot 3's but I am planning on a UDFA to fill in backup minutes at the 3 to stretch us out a bit when CP3/Terry aren't on the floor. 06-07 season as a backup.
David Lee is a 100% SF/PF/C backup with abhorrent D, able to switch to cover the weakest player when Buck/Dwight/Bynum subs out. He's 24 usg% to admirably fill in behind Dwight and Bynum without a penalty, and he's a decent enough rebounder that we won't be torn to shreds when one of those two hackticians fouls out (and they will!). 13-14 season...curveball.

Overall: 19350 minutes- a tad light but I'll play the foodstamp subs into fatigue. Feels like I have enough rebounding, assists and D to be competitive.

Things I like: Enough rebounding to only lose on the boards to the truly elite. Enough scoring to beat those truly elite rebounding teams by outscoring them. An inside-outside balance. Defense is solid for the ODL. If this team doesn't stink, the CP3-Dwight combo could be a lot of fun to box-score watch.

Things I don't like: I feel like 1000 3PA drafted is not enough, even if 39% are made. Maybe CP3 can put it all together.

Prediction: Round one playoff bye, followed by the signature mikee1 five game series defeat in round two. Or...my first ODL title. The key is in the fouls. If they don't kill me, it's a potentially dominant team.

with regards to the whole "you can never have too much paint scoring" thing

only three of the teams in the ODL Record of Champions feature two top scorers at PF and C.

I will give this a shot:

Round 1: Wade
I don't really have much ODL experience. I just wanted to get on the board by taking the guy I thought was the best available. I looked at Wade vs Duncan vs Stockton. I knew Stockton would be great of I wanted to do a high assist team, but doubted I could draft the right pieces. I like Duncan as a defender and PF/C with decent rebounding and passing, but I ultimately chose Wade because I have never used him before and he gives me a 100D G who would give me some options with my second guard.

Round 2: KG
I looked hard at KG vs McAdoo since I didn't want to paint myself into a corner salary wise. I have had success in other leagues by using McAdoo and McGrady as an inside outside duo and then surrounding them with D, but I didn't see any way to duplicate that here. Instead I decided KG's huge Dreb and Ast from SF was a major plus and his moderate efg was worth living with. Now I have 2 defenders who can cover 1-5 with at least 90D.

Round 3: Drummond
Hoped Tyson Chandler would be there as a low usage guy to pair with the Wade/KG combo but alas, I was forced to look elsewhere. High efg plus ultra rebounding made me think that I can work on something here. **Edit** Had to shift to the 22Usg 51%efg Drummond because I needed the extra 700,000. I could not convince myself that it was a good idea to walk into the season with less than 19,400 minutes.

Round 4: Draymond
I wanted a guy who could play PF, be a third 90D guy, make a bunch of 3s, and chip in as a passer while not killing me on the boards. My only choice was basically Draymond. I know he isn't ideal, but I really needed a perimeter guy at PF if KG and Drummond will be on the team. My other look was at Odom, but I figured it was too early for that.

Round 5: Batum
I needed a guy who could play SG, had the ability to switch to PG so Wade could help his D, makes a bunch of 3s, has good reb + ast. I was thinking it would come down to Korver vs Batum but that never happened. I also looked at Wes person.  This was another pick about balance. With Wade, I needed my SG to be able to shoot.
 
Round 6: Hill, Pretty Sam
I needed a backup SF with high usage who could mimic KG's rebounding and passing. Hill is the only guy.
I also needed a high usage PG to take and make shots while dishing over 25%. Stuck with Cassell.

I expect this to be a 30 win team. Thanks for inviting me sly.

Thanks for joining rob!

Posted by bds9992 on 1/27/2016 1:56:00 PM (view original):
with regards to the whole "you can never have too much paint scoring" thing

only three of the teams in the ODL Record of Champions feature two top scorers at PF and C.

ALL of my championship teams had extreme paint/perimeter make-ups.  It's not just about the highest 2 usage guys; it's how they all fit together.

On another note:  Mikee's team is ******* scary.

Yeah, when he picked up Bynum and Terry in the 6th I thought the same thing.  My original plan in the 3rd was to take Drexler, with an eye on Bynum knowing I could pick him up late and I'd play Camby at PF.  But alas, Kemp is always sitting there at my slot in the 3rd and I can never talk myself out of drafting him.   I also figured Drexler would be there in the 4th since he always seems to go a little late, but I like Kirilenko as a consolation prize. 

The two highest usage guys take the most shots. That specific formula is most likely to lead to the greatest number of paint shots. Dwight/Buck, for example. Or Dwight/Moses. I've seen that backfire. Bynum shoots more in the midrange, which does make Mikee's team pretty scary, I'll admit. But, I have a working theory that your top three usage players need to take a combined total of at least 35% (out of 300%) of their shots from 3, filled in with various extra guards to get to 400 makes. I am still a newbie, but that's just what I've noticed.

this should be good for a laugh...


round 1 - Duncan

For a time I thought Bird would slide, people seem down on him.  But was happy Duncan was there.  When you're drafting towards the end of the 1st round you just need to make sure you don't F up and try to give yourself as much flexibility as possible.  Duncan has pretty good monster seasons and some lessor seasons if you need to go that route.

round 2 - Manu 07-08

Have to go with the 07-08 season and like getting a High EFG guard with lots of 3's who can play D.  Checks all around here.

round 3 - Mel Daniels

Here's where things went side ways. I choose "closer to 24" because I wanted to pick towards the end of the 3rd round where I felt sure there would be the PG I like, hopefully Terry Porter.  Not only is he gone, but so is Payton and Harper.  I like ast guys who shoot some 3's, play both positions and D.... then again who doesn't!  Obviously since these guys were gone.  So I decide to shift gears and try to go for another guard who has ~ 20% AST% instead of the traditional PG so that I can get more 3's without sacrificing too much.  My plan is to take Brent Barry early in the 4th and then felt sure I could get a high AST SF like Batum in the 5th. if he's gone take Odom, who's playing great for DH's 52mill squad.  So with that plan I grab Mel Daniels who will get ORB and not hurt me anywhere else.

round 4 - Brent Barry

For reasons mentioned in Rd 3 pick I'm psyched to grab Barry.  Guard AST are only combined at ~ 39% which is definitely low, but I'm going to grab Batum or Odom and can use a higher Ast season for Duncan if needed.

round 5 - Paul Pressey

Batum is gone, Odom is gone even Draymond and Pierce are gone and I'm now screwed.  None of the traditional high Ast% value SF are there and I hate you all for it.  I panic and grab Paul Pressey b/c I have no options and need Ast. in retrospect I could maybe have slid Manu to SF and grabbed a traditional PG.  And Given the trouble I'm about to have with the cap that would have been a better option

round 6 - Jameer and Brandan Wright

Another mistake, I'm still kind of rattled my plan blew up.  I'm not paying attention to my cap space, for some reason I think I have enough money to pay for these two real good subs.  Instead, I'm short money/minutes and have to take a lessor Mel Daniels year than I wanted, a lessor Duncan year b/c I need assists and a lesser Brandan Wright.

overall - this team sucks.  I might be over-reacting because it didn't go to plan.  but this league is so competitive I'd guess the O/U for my win total to be 33.5.  I haven't kept track, but pretty sure I've made the playoffs in the ODL many seasons straight and I'm going to blow it.  On the bright side, my closer to 1 pick for ODL60 will be closer to 1.

edit: this was in response to bd

Theorize & try out different things, man.  You might stumble onto something profound that none of the vets have given serious merit, but on this particular subject, it's already been pretty well battle tested. 

I also think you need to think a little more about how usage works together.  Just because you have a couple of guys with 25% usage doesn't mean they're taking all of the shots... it means it is probable that half of the possessions will end with the ball in their hands.  You can't discount what a 18% usg guy gives you, or even a 15% or 10%, though that obviously isn't your focus.

draft is over, and his only sub $4m seasons completely suck, so I think it's safe to say his name now...

Is this the first time Kobe didn't get drafted?  Guy used to be a sure fire 2nd and even borderline 1st at times... and with everyone's fascination with 90 defenders, how did he not go?  He's not my favorite sim type, either, but people have always gobbled him up and those similar to him (tmac, harden)... I almost changed directions several times to draft him, but I just know better than to switch gears that late in a draft to pick up a falling star.

What say you?