ODL 60 Rosters/Commentary Topic

nah man, that was a great trade.
4/10/2016 5:58 PM
Posted by bkbillups on 4/9/2016 1:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bds9992 on 4/8/2016 10:03:00 PM (view original):
i don't know. i would go with Camby or Mutombo or Chandler or _______ before AD, at least at that draft position or even in the 3rd. I just don't need him as a scorer, he's not good at passing, and you can do a lot better at rebounding.

Sure, if you need a scorer, AD can plug a hole, but I feel like Elton Brand has more minutes, better D, more scoring, and more rebounds as an SF. I would just get one of those super rebounders and wait until the 4th or 5th to get better efficiency, but I think it's too big a risk.

(alonzo, _______, hakeem, kg, mchale, webber, love, even marion as an SF. eight more guys who are more efficient and you can get them in the 2nd or lower.)
With seeing how this draft has gone and the type of players that are targeted, I would not have taken Davis where I did, but the reason I did was for options. We'll see how it ends up.
I'm not saying you made a bad pick.

i think when 14-15 AD came out, he was picked very early in the 2nd round. Since then he's been going in the first half of the 2nd round. I just don't know if he's actually worth that. I would definitely go for 13-14 in the 3rd, though. (personally)
4/10/2016 5:59 PM
so i've asked cjok if he doesn't mind my doing the evals. it seems he's busy.

i've never made it past the first round of the playoffs in this league, so if people have a problem with me doing it, i understand. otherwise, i have a lot of time, and i'd like to give it a shot.
4/11/2016 6:36 PM
omegax - Wilt Chamberlain, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shawn Marion, Chris Kaman, Ed Davis

As a first round pick, Wilt is unimpeachable. I don't think it matters which season you pick. 66-67 might be a little expensive for this league, although I'd probably go with it. 65-66 is nice because the higher usage is there. The Lakers seasons accomplish most of what the mid 60's seasons accomplish, but they're a couple million cheaper.

With your second and third round picks, you take Hakeem and Matrix. There is absolutely a way to make this trio work. I can't really evaluate the team as a whole until I know which seasons you're planning on using.

At this point, the only thing I can say is that Chris Kaman and Ed Davis are good backup bigs, but I don't know what you're planning, in terms of guards. Obviously, you do need some.

So you're using 65-66 Wilt, 06-07 Marion, and 92-93 Hakeem. That's a lot of salary. I think the D and rebounding is great, and I think Marion is a great fit because he's low on TO's, where Wilt is very high. It definitely comes down to who your guards will be, but overall the defense, rebounding, and efficiency are all great.




jhsukow - LeBron James, Magic Johnson, Wesley Person, Buck Williams, Charles Oakley

This is the best first round trade I've ever seen. As far as trading into the first goes, I would generally caution against it. It's hard to not only have that much salary on the books for your first two picks, but also to lose out on the B+ talent in the second and third rounds. In this case, I guarantee you've hit a home run. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the trade with cjok was a win-win, as he ended up with a first round value in the second round.

I would not have picked Wesley Person. I would've gone with a little more rebounds, low turnovers, maybe a little less D if necessary. I don't hate Person here, but that would've been my preference. Buck Williams is a great pick at PF. This is a very efficient group so far, and as of now you have all the right elements going for you. As I said earlier, I don't think you can screw this up.

There are a couple of Oakley seasons that aren't very foul-heavy. As long as you maintain a certain level of efficiency and D, you probably can't go wrong with your choice of bigs.

OUTLOOK:This is a top 8 team. Decent odds to win it all. LeBron and Magic is just so nasty. you've got rebounds, defense, efficiency, assists, threes, FTA's, everything.




98average - Stephen Curry, Terry Porter, Shawn Kemp, Arvydas Sabonis, Tree Rollins

I have often dreamed of having your first two picks. Curry is great with regards to eFG%, passing, and defense. He might be the most valuable per-minute player in the SIM, or the most valuable player in this league when you consider that his $7.6m price tag is perfect for this cap. Porter gives you unusually high efficiency for a backcourt, but already I have a qualm: free throw shooting. Both of these guys are unlikely to get to the line very much. To counter this effect, you'll need rebounding, blocks, FTA's, and low fouls.

You take care of 3/4 of these aspects with Shawn Kemp. I really like this pick. I think that with where you pick in the draft, there wouldn't have been too many options besides Kemp in terms of finding a higher usage big with efficient scoring, offensive rebounding, and good D. You did need all of those things, and Kemp is one of the few guys that can give them to you.

However, I'm flabbergasted by Arvydas Sabonis and Tree Rollins. Both of these guys are heavy on turnovers and fouls. Sabonis is efficient, sure, but I really don't think you can survive Kemp, Sabonis, and Rollins as your bigs. They're all prone to fouls and TO's, and Curry also chips in to the TO count. In my view, you had a really good start until you picked these two. Maybe your 6th round picks can contribute something you need.




mikee1 - Michael Jordan, Joakim Noah, Chris Webber, Mark Price, Andrew Bynum

For what it's worth, I hate Michael Jordan in this league. If you want to use him, you have to think of him as a big man, since he doesn't shoot 3's. He costs a lot, only a couple of his seasons are 100% efficient at SF, and he turns the ball over a bit. Essentially, he's not great at any of the things you want a guard to do, and he costs a lot

There are a couple nice things about MJ. He's efficient, he fills a lot of your usage requirement, he gets to the line a lot, he plays good D, and he passes. I don't think he's worth a top 5 or 9 pick, but that's just me.

In my head, I'm always thinking at least two rounds into the future. If I pick one guy, I have to think about who I really need in the next round. As I did in this draft, I picked a guy I really liked, although maybe didn't want the absolute most, because of his low salary. I figure that if I miss out on a certain guy, I'll at least have options in terms of salary.

I don't hate the Noah pick, but I do hate the Noah pick combined with Webber. On the surface, it looks great. Noah, Jordan, and Webber are all passers. This increases efficiency in the SIM. I get that. Webber is probably your SF, Jordan is probably your SG or PG, and Noah will play C or PF.

Webber is misleading. Yes, he shoots some 3's, but not that many. Yes, he's efficient, but his FT% is horrible. I think it's important to take FT% into account. Of course it will be a factor in the SIM. As it turns out, not only does Webber not shoot well at the line, but he doesn't get to the line all that much. Neither does Joakim Noah. Neither Webber nor Noah are great rebounders, and Webber adds turnovers.

The defense is rock solid, but now you're tasked with finding an efficient guard, more usage, and 40-60 D a piece. Price is just over the line of what I consider to be average in the TO department, which is bad because you've already got two guys that are turnover-prone. I'm not sure which Jordan you're using, but most of them are kind of bad in terms of TO's. I'm going to assume that this will be a problem. If it were me, I would've bailed on efficiency and stuck with my defensive theme.

There are some teams that look very good on paper, because they check the usual boxes. Efficiency, two 10/20 rebounders, everyone at 50+ D, everyone at 52+ eFG%. With bad turnovers, the inability for more than one of your guys to get to the line, good but not great rebounding, and/or good but not great 3 PT totals, that classic formula can get derailed very easily.

OUTLOOK: uhhhhhhhh........given the landscape.......nah, I have to think about this one.




copernicus - Shaquille O'Neal, Donyell Marshall, Derek Harper, Paul Pierce, Wes Unseld

I've never been crazy about Donyell. I do like Shaq a lot, but I feel like Donyell is really only picked in the 2nd for his defense and rebounding. I see guys that haven't even been drafted yet that can fill that role pretty well.

Shaq is great at getting to the line, and Donyell really isn't, but the D and efficiency is there. Starting with your 3rd round pick, you needed assists, which Derek Harper provides. Paul Pierce is also pretty good at that. Wes Unseld, also.

You have very good rebounding, very good 3 PT totals, very good passing, and very good defense. Your efficiency will be good, not great, and you'll have some trouble getting to the line, but I do like this team.

OUTLOOK: uhhhhh.......one of the last 2 to 3 out. Harper/Donyell/Shaq fits very well, but I think you needed more efficiency. Maybe if you had a better defensive player than Unseld, I could see it. right now, I can't.




amerk1180 - Charles Barkley, Dikembe Mutombo, Larry Nance, Rajon Rondo, Goran Dragic

For some reason, I think that as a whole, the owners who picked in the first half of the 1st round all did pretty well.

I have to say I'm a little perplexed by this team, in the sense that I don't know how good this will be. I definitely don't hate Barkley as the 8th pick. He is a monster rebounder, scorer, and passer. I don't know whether I like him more or less than Bird and Durant, but I understand why you would pick him that high. He is that good.

Mutombo can help cover your one-man defensive hole, and adds to your rebounding rates. The great thing about him is that it doesn't matter which season you pick, because all of them are great at rebounding.

I am curious to see which Nance you pick. The Cavs and Suns seasons are pretty different.

Rondo and Dragic is an excellent combo. Rondo is not that bad at turning the ball over, good at rebounding, and good at D. Dragic is an efficient scorer, not that great at TO's, great at getting to the line, and a little worrisome defensively, but the point is that he does everything Rondo doesn't, and vice-versa.

so you're using 85-86 Larry Nance.

OUTLOOK: You have two defensive holes, but they compensate by both being great at getting to the line, and at shooting. you have great passing, good rebounding. as long as your bench is good enough on defense, then yes, i think this is a playoff team.




ysw128 - Dennis Rodman, Kevin McHale, Kevin Love, Hassan Whiteside, Jerry West

I think it's difficult to use Rodman in this league. For me, it's hard to think about passing on an efficient scorer with great D. I'm sure there is a way to do it well.

McHale is a great fit next to Rodman, One is a great rebounder, one isn't. One is a great scorer, one is a low volume scorer, both are great defensively.

Love, in theory, is a great fit next to McHale, and not only because one started the career of the other in real life. Since you have a good defensive bloc by this point, you can afford to come in on Love's low D, great everything-else package.

I do feel like you could've picked a guard here, though. In a way, Love does everything that a guard would do, but I think that a balanced starting lineup is important. Case in point is Whiteside. There's nothing wrong with Whiteside, obviously, but you still don't have any guards. By this point, there are still a couple of good options, but you still need usage. The fate of your team lies in these next picks...

Jerry West.....woah, that was nice.

That was the perfect pick for you. I forgot about him.

OUTLOOK: Playoffs, seed 5-6. Whiteside honestly looks great next to/behind Love. I don't know who your second starting guard is, but I don't think you can mess this up.




seapilots - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Kawhi Leonard, Charlie Ward, Brent Barry, Kris Humphries

This is a team I do not hate nor love. Kareem is exquisite, of course. I don't know which Leonard you're using, although I don't know it makes a difference. Ward is good, as are Barry and Humphries. Basically, I get why you picked these guys. They check the boxes. In short, you're going to be short on FTA's, assists and defense, but very high in efficiency.

OUTLOOK: I don't think this is a playoff team, but I reserve the right to change my mind about it within a week or so. I should really wait until more teams have 5 players. Probably one of the last 2-3 teams out.




bds9992 - Chris Paul, Bobby Jones, James Harden, Pau Gasol, Willis Reed

So...why did I pick Paul (14-15) over Moses or Dwight? It's the mixture of threes, assists, and D. Did I fantasize about taking Dwight 9th? Absolutely. Did I want Moses? No question, but I've seen a bunch of Moses and Dwight teams. All of them have had trouble getting to the line or passing. If my pick had come a little later, I might have relished the opportunity, but I knew what to do with Paul.

Jones (75-76) is a defensive monster. On top of that, he passes pretty well. Paul is a low on turnovers, Jones is high-ish, and they're both great defenders. I felt like it would work well.

Initially, I had Tom Boerwinkle penciled in here. It's a good thing I didn't pull the trigger on that, because the guy I was sure was going to last until the fourth round was gone a couple picks later. After giving it some thought, I realized I didn't need a monster rebounder if I played my cards right.

I've always wanted to use 11-12 Harden. He's efficient as heck, his 3PA rate is a monstrous .46, he averages 9+ FTAP48, he doesn't turn the ball over much, he doesn't foul that much, his Ast% is better than you'd think, and he's cheap.

Pau Gasol gives me salary cap flexibility. (09-10)

Reed (68-69) stabilizes my front line. I have solid D, efficiency, and rebounding up front. I figured that on top of the passing I already had, if I could get solid rebounders with good efficiency, I would be about as well-rounded as I could be.

If someone else wants to evaluate me, I'm all ears.

OUTLOOK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-69JHaZEAw




thomcat - Dwight Howard, Elton Brand, Gary Payton, Walt Frazier, Emeka Okafor

This is a great start. Howard is a steal at 10. Brand increases your defensive profile, and is a good rebounder and not a TO liability.

Salary is the X factor with this team, but you can make it work. I LOVED the Payton and Frazier picks. These are two guys that have been sliding for a couple of seasons, and you grabbed them both. I think that between Payton and Frazier, you will eventually have enough 3's. Your rebounds, defense, TO's, assists, and efficiency are all great.

Okafor makes this a top 3 or 4 rebounding/defensive team. I was half expecting you to go with another guard, but Okafor certainly contributes to the defensive makeup. I think you'll have enough 3's, since Walt and Payton both have 3PA rates over 10%. I suppose that depends on your bench. Overall, I'm still crazy about this team.

OUTLOOK: This is a top 8 team, provided that you pick the right Payton/Frazier teams. The efficiency, rebounding, and D are all a little crazy, with the potential for four guys over 90 D. You will at least make the 2nd round of the playoffs.




dh555 - Karl Malone, Mookie Blaylock, Klay Thompson, Horace Grant

I hate Karl in the ODL. He's not that good a rebounder, you can't play him at SF, and.....I don't know, why would anyone go for Karl when they could (usually) have Barkley, Bird or Durant?!? Of course, there's always a way to make it work, but I really think Karl limits your options.

I like Mookie in general, but I especially hate him when I see your next pick. Neither Mookie nor Klay nor Horace are even remotely good at getting to the line. Yes, defense, efficency, and TO's are all good. I dig the fact that you have so many high efficiency field goals, but you're low on assists, rebounds, and FTA's. I don't think your last pick can save you.




jkaye24 - Moses Malone, Marcus Camby, Terrell Brandon, Draymond Green, Sidney Moncrief

Moses and Camby! That is a sensational front line.

Brandon and Green are not that efficient. I feel like you'll have a hard time making that up. You have a lot of defense and rebounding, but I don't think there's a way for you to get enough efficiency in your scoring or FTA's.

Sidney Moncrief is a guy that should get taken more often. You are very strong on FTA's and defense, but not that much on efficiency and passing. I'm pretty confident that these things will catch up with you.

OUTLOOK: Lottery. Look, dh said I'd be last place in my division last season, so please don't take my outlook seriously. I just don't think you'll be able to keep up with the efficient teams out there.




eleibowitz - David Robinson, Julius Erving, Clyde Drexler, Mark Jackson, Andrew Bogut

I'm not sure why you thought things had fallen off the tracks once you picked Drexler. I love your first three picks. All three are pretty efficient scorers, all will get to the line, all are above average as passers for their positions, all are great defensively, and the turnovers aren't that bad.

Jackson helps with passing. I think that was one of the right picks. I'm thinking of other guys that might've been better there, but Jackson is a great passer.

Bogut gives you a top flight efficiency/rebounding/D team.

OUTLOOK: This is a top 8 team. I'm not sure I can predict much beyond the fact that you will make the playoffs, but there is so much that I like about your first three picks, as well as Bogut. Most likely you'll make the 2nd round.




jt7king - Kevin Durant, Artis Gilmore, Jerry Lucas, Bobby Phills, Jason Terry

Durant and Gilmore is a crazy good start. I think it's the best ODL start I've seen. You had me very scared after two rounds.

Lucas is a great rebounder and good passer. You won't have a great passing team, but with Lucas you'll at least have a pretty good one.

Phills is great for your salary cap, your defense, and your efficiency. Four great picks so far.

Nice. Terry is cheap, above average as a passer, very good offensively, at least decent defensively, and low on turnovers. You won't have an elite defensive squad, but you do have an elite offensive squad.

OUTLOOK: No doubt this is a top 8 team. Championship is doable.




jcred5 - John Stockton, Manu Ginobili, Serge Ibaka, Dirk Nowitzki, Larry Sanders, Dan Roundfield

At first, I wasn't crazy about Stockton and Ginobili as your first two picks. "What is he going to do for rebounding?" I wondered. Tyson Chandler had gone kind of early, and I worried you might not be able to snag one of the really good rebounders.

Ibaka was interesting. Your effiency is great, and Nowitzki only solidifies that.

Despite Stockton, you might be a little low on assists, although I really like this first four.

LARRY SANDERS! is exactly what you need.

OUTLOOK: Playoffs, seed 4-6. Normally I don't like Nowitzki, and I'm thinking of someone other than Sanders, but this is about as good a Dirk team as I've seen. Probably a first round exit, but the efficiency and D will be tough for most opponents to beat.




benhoidal - Larry Bird, Bill Walton, Rudy Gobert, Clifford Ray, Tracy McGrady

Ben, you keep putting together some impressive teams. Bird/Walton is similar to Durant/Walton from last season, and we know how that worked.

I love me some Rudy. After the third, you had an impressive front line.

Ray is interesting. He gives you some nice passing and rebounding. You don't really have a problem with rebounding, defense, or fouls at this point, so Ray can't make any of those things a significant problem.

Honestly, I'm pretty confident that your last pick will be exactly what you need. I don't know where you're going with this, but I doubt you'll mess this up.

and it's Tracy. hmmm....well, I don't really dislike the pick, but I don't particularly love it, either. still, you already have assists, and that frontline is so nasty that they'll probably make Tracy look better. can't give my outlook until I know who your fifth starter is, but so far, really good stuff.




ncmusician_7 - DeAndre Jordan, Deron Williams, Andre Drummond, Eddie Jones, Reggie Miller

For some reason, DeAndre and Deron is one duo I've never imagined, and yet it works so well. Already, you have two great defenders, one great passer, one great rebounder, and great efficiency. You turn what is already a great rebounding team into a monstrous rebounding team by adding Drummond.

I think Eddie Jones is the pick of the draft. You don't need much more passing or rebounding, so you could probably get away with playing Jones at SF, and still lead the league in rebounding. He gives you more 3's than Deron, he doesn't turn the ball over, he's very efficient, and that 80+ D is always nice.

Reggie is another shooter. I guess I wasn't expecting you to go in this direction. more accurately, i figure you could've taken Reggie instead of Eddie, and taken a rebounder with one of these picks. still, with the rebounding advantage you have, i'm not sure that will be an issue.

OVERALL: Playoffs.....i think. It's hard to mess up a great start, and when you pick DeAndre and Deron with your first two picks, that's what you have.

.....on the other hand, you might be a little low on usage. wondering which seasons you're using.....




bkbillups - Dwyane Wade, Anthony Davis, Tom Boerwinkle, Ray Allen, Dale Davis

I've already spouted my qualms about AD, although I don't even know which one you're using. I have yet to wrap my head around Wade, but already you have two 90+ defenders. That doesn't suck.

Boerwinkle gives you the flexibility to use 13-14 or 14-15 AD and still be solid in the rebounding column. Allen is very efficient, and you did need that. I don't know if you'll be able to make up the efficiency in scoring, as none of your first three picks are all that good at it, but you have a bunch of steals, blocks, defense, and assists by this point. Your fifth pick will be very important.

Dale Davis is a good pick, defensively, as a spot up shooter, and as a rebounder. I think you now have a foul problem.

This is where my earlier criticism of AD might come into play. AD is great at getting to the line, but he doesn't play that many minutes in either season. You'll have some trouble replicating that level of FTAP48 when he isn't on the floor. Boerwinkle and Dale create a foul problem that Wade and Davis would probably be able to solve if they were on the floor for longer at the same time.

OUTLOOK: If you had more minutes of Davis-level play, your defense and passing might be able to carry you. With the foul trouble, and coming in short on passing and efficiency, I think this is a lottery team.




milest - Tim Duncan, Oscar Robertson, Tyson Chandler, Lamar Odom, Alex English

This is a very efficient, very defensive, very good trio in pretty much every way. I loved the trade up for Chandler. Your next pick, which you'll be making shortly, is pretty important.

Lamar is a good fit here. This gives you a very good advantage in the rebounding column. In addition, he gives you solid 3's at a decent clip, which you needed.

Alex English gives you a turnover problem. Yes, you'll have 3's if you stick with Odom, but all of Odom, Duncan, Robertson and English are problematic in terms of TO's. Not sure which English you're using.

OVERALL: Good start, but I worry about the TO's. Lottery.




slymonium - Kevin Garnett, Scottie Pippen, Carlos Boozer, José Calderon, George Hill

Well, well. Garnett and Pippen aren't your usual selections, but they are both great at rebounding and passing. Boozer and Calderon add some needed eFG% to the mix. You're very low on turnovers and fouls, you're not terrible defensively, and you're great in terms of rebounding and passing. I think the fate of this team depends entirely on which Pippen you're using, which is interesting. This is an interesting team, in general....

Hill helps you out with efficiency, which is something you sort of need. it depends on which Pippen or Garnett you use.

OUTLOOK: I think I know enough to say the following: you have a pattern that you usually follow to the letter. With this team and the last one, you've attempted to mix it up a bit. I would do the same if I were you, but I think Calderon and Boozer's lack of D, especially if you end up playing Boozer at C, might hurt a bit too much. As much as I'd like to doubt it, I have seen you miss the playoffs. I think you're headed down that road again, but go ahead and prove me wrong.




ashamael - Ben Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Robert Parish, Kobe Bryant, Michael Smith

I think you win the award for Most Nebulous Team, which is to say that I have the least clear idea of whether this team is good or bad. Wallace and Parish provide a great rebounding advantage. Billups and Parish are pretty efficient all by themselves.

I don't hate Kobe here. I think he's prolific at the line, and I think that makes up for his eFG% shortcomings.

You might have a great defensive team, depending on which Parish you use, or you might have a good one. Billups takes all different shapes and sizes. I don't know. The tools are definitely here right now.




uptowngbv - Anfernee Hardaway, Steve Nash, Marques Johnson, Mark Eaton, Patrick Ewing, Nazr Mohammed

If only you had been able to select Nash with your 3rd pick instead of your 2nd, I would love this team. I can't say I blame you, though.

Penny is great in every way. Nash is is great in some ways, but I definitely would've waited on this one.

Marques isn't great at getting to the line, but he is super efficient. His rebounding ability is pretty great, considering he's also a very efficient scorer. It would be helpful to know which one you're using.

Eaton is definitely one of the best options here, but it underlines my main qualm: you could've gone for rebounding in the earlier rounds. I fear you will have trouble with rebounding. Compounded by Nash's high TO's, I think you'll have problems being competitive in the possession battle. I think you could've gotten Nash, Johnson and Eaton a round later than you did, or waited for a guy like Terry Porter or Maurice Cheeks to fill that slot.

Well, now you've gone and made the Steal of the Draft with Patrick Ewing.....in the 6th!

I think you might have turnover issues to this point. Your offensive rebounding isn't going to be particularly good, although your overall rebounding is. Suddenly your defense and efficiency look great.....

OUTLOOK: On e other hand....which Ewingare you using?




banditone - Bill Russell, Bob McAdoo, Maurice Cheeks, Luol Deng

I think Russell is complicated. He is a great rebounder and passer, but his low efficiency sets you back from the getgo.

You correct that with McAdoo. It's a good start, for sure. Cheeks fills a hole, although I feel like you could've gotten him a round or two later.

I don't understand the Deng pick. He's not a great rebounder, passer, or defender, and there were a bunch of other guys you could've looked at. Overall, there's not enough talent yet.




cjok1051 - Jason Kidd, Alonzo Mourning, Amar'e Stoudemire, Andrei Kirilenko, Kevin Johnson

That was a sweet trade between you and jhsukow.

Kidd and Mourning is an excellent start. Defense, efficiency, rebounding, passing, it's all there.

Amar'e is cool here, but I might've looked at passers or better rebounders. Defensively, Stoudemire almost certainly takes you from a great start to an average finish. Mourning is a foul liability, which you now need Stoudemire's FTA's to correct. I think there were other options in the third.

Kirilenko is a nice passer and glue guy. He has a number of different seasons that do a variety of things well. I'm curious to see which Kirilenko you're looking at.

Kevin Johnson is efficient and good at things.

The interesting thing is that this team is somewhat reminiscent of your last team. I didn't think your last team would go as far as it did, so maybe I'm wrong about this one. I think KJ's TO's, Alonzo's fouls, and Amare's defensive will trip you up to some extent, but the efficiency is superb. You have a pretty good rebounding team, and the defense is also pretty good.

In fact, you're not even light on passing. I don't know. You do some things very well, and some things not so well. Overall, I guess I should say that this is at least a pretty good team. As I sort through projections of how people will finish, I'll have to give your team some more thought.

OUTLOOK: Yeah, playoffs. If Front Court did, this will, too. I'll say 3-6 seed, but I don't think that'll stop you from making the conference finals or finals. This team might win it all. 11:1 odds, something like that.



Playoffs (so far, unranked)
jhsukow
ysw128
thomcat
eleibowitz
jt7king
jcred5
cjok1051
Mikee1
amerk1180
benhoidal
ncmusician_7 (assuming the usage is cool)

contenders?
thomcat
amerk1180
jhsukow
jt7king
eleibowitz
bds9992
4/13/2016 6:56 PM (edited)
the more the merrier
4/11/2016 8:08 PM
What I mean is that I think I'll be taking over for him. I hope people don't have a problem with that.
4/11/2016 8:12 PM
65-66 Wilt
06-07 Matrix
92-93 Hakeem

13-14 Kaman as Hakeem's backup.
13-14 Ed Davis as Marion's backup.
4/11/2016 9:42 PM

I've never been crazy about Donyell. I do like Shaq a lot, but I feel like Donyell is really only picked in the 2nd for his defense and rebounding. I see guys that haven't even been drafted yet that can fill that role pretty well.

D and threes (34% of his shots at 40% from behind the arc) + boards + economy at 100% SF effectiveness - put his primary stats into the search engine and you get 1 season of Larry Bird, 1 season of Shawn Marion and Donyell's 03-04 season - think you may want to take a second look
4/11/2016 9:55 PM (edited)
This is not my favorite type of team. I generally prefer to dominate shooting and rebounding while being average on D & terrible at turnovers. The way this thing shook out was a possession control squad: very low tov% and high reb% ... At both ends because I'm going to miss a lot of shots! Going to be a great defensive squad, which is highly unusual for me. I generally like to shove in people's faces how much they overrate defense in this league, but this team's dynamic turned out that way.

Def rat so far is 91, 100, 90, & 80.
tov% is 11ish, forget ben's, 9ish & 12ish (amazing for a pg with 30+ ast%)
going to end up with almost 150 crb% & 70+% ast% in sl

still not my favorite type of squad, however
4/11/2016 10:04 PM
Posted by copernicus on 4/11/2016 9:55:00 PM (view original):

I've never been crazy about Donyell. I do like Shaq a lot, but I feel like Donyell is really only picked in the 2nd for his defense and rebounding. I see guys that haven't even been drafted yet that can fill that role pretty well.

D and threes (34% of his shots at 40% from behind the arc) + boards + economy at 100% SF effectiveness - put his primary stats into the search engine and you get 1 season of Larry Bird, 1 season of Shawn Marion and Donyell's 03-04 season - think you may want to take a second look
Extremely efficient tov% as well. Nobody gives you the combination of 3s, defense, boards & tovs at the 3 for that kind of salary... But if course you already know that!
4/11/2016 10:07 PM
"I hate Karl in the ODL. He's not that good a rebounder, you can't play him at SF, and.....I don't know, why would anyone go for Karl when they could (usually) have Barkley, Bird or Durant?!? Of course, there's always a way to make it work, but I really think Karl limits your options."


you seriously underestimate the mailman....much better 1st round pick then barkley/bird/durant imo

and he certainly doesnt limit your options....right away you have your #1 scorer, so you arent sweating usg later...his ast% let me take a pg like mookie and his 90 d at the 4/5 will cover for the lower d boardlords i take in the 6th
4/11/2016 10:30 PM
im not too worried about about my ftas...mookie and klay are both poor at getting to the line but i find 3pt shooters will surprise you with the # of ftas they actaully get....especially high usg ones like klay...i wouldnt be surprised to see him get around 300 ftas(about 50 more then rl)...meanwhile a guy like jerry west will only get about 400 of his 600 ftas
4/11/2016 10:37 PM
how dare you badmouth the goat!

he does shoot 3s...makes about 100 of em...pair him with a 3pt shooting pg(mark price will do nicely) and youre fine from deep...you can even sprinkle in some more at sf if needed
4/11/2016 10:46 PM



milest - Tim Duncan, Oscar Robertson, Tyson Chandler

This is a very efficient, very defensive, very good trio in pretty much every way. I loved the trade up for Chandler. Your next pick, which you'll be making shortly, is pretty important.


Well, I'm not sure if what I just did will work... But... I obviously had a plan when I moved to get Chandler.. Both guys are still on the board. The combo would have increased my D and had fairly low TO%. Decent efg. enough usage.. Enough 3's even. decent FTAs even.. A very nice, underrated combo... But.. I tinkered with possible lineups nonstop.. I'm pretty sure my original plan would've landed me in the playoffs, but may not have been dynamic enough to really push for a title... Well, I picked Odom, and I'm really hoping for 1 particular guy with my next 5th round pick.. It's gonna be a doozie... I may wind up in the lottery- but I can live with that.
4/11/2016 10:54 PM (edited)
Posted by dh555 on 4/11/2016 10:30:00 PM (view original):
"I hate Karl in the ODL. He's not that good a rebounder, you can't play him at SF, and.....I don't know, why would anyone go for Karl when they could (usually) have Barkley, Bird or Durant?!? Of course, there's always a way to make it work, but I really think Karl limits your options."


you seriously underestimate the mailman....much better 1st round pick then barkley/bird/durant imo

and he certainly doesnt limit your options....right away you have your #1 scorer, so you arent sweating usg later...his ast% let me take a pg like mookie and his 90 d at the 4/5 will cover for the lower d boardlords i take in the 6th
I agree
4/11/2016 10:49 PM
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