banditone - Charles Barkley, Willis Reed, Julius Erving, Dale Ellis
ncih - Moses Malone, Donyell Marshall, Bob Lanier,
empdenied - Wilt Chamberlain, Glen Rice, Manu Ginobili,
tricky24 - Dennis Rodman, Kevin Durant, Zelmo Beaty,
dh555 - Larry Bird, Robert Parish, Terry Porter, Brent Barry
uvasooner - Magic Johnson, Swen Nater, Amare Stoudemire, Rashard Lewis

jakotay - Michael Jordan, Wes Unseld, Deron Williams, Connie Hawkins
xxevilivexx - Lebron James, Steve Nash, Hakeem Olajuwon, Cedric Ceballos
shapandrew7 - Dwyane Wade, Mel Daniels, Gary Payton, Andres Biedrins
robocoach - David Robinson, Peja Stojakovic, Elton Brand, Fat Lever
sappy - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Ben Wallace, David Lee, Jason Richardson
scudmissle - Shaquille O'Neal, John Stockton, Antawn Jamison, Bill Walton

eleibowitz - Chris Paul, Tim Duncan, Walt Frazier, Jayson Williams
tarheel1991 - Karl Malone, Ray Allen, Darrell Walker, Erick Dampier
longtallbrad - Oscar Robertson, Dikembe mutombo, Reggie Miller, Al Jefferson
badja - Tracy McGrady, Dana Barros, Kevin Willis, Buck Williams
ashamael - Dwight Howard, Troy Murphy, Kevin Johnson, Danny Granger
gtak - Shawn Marion, Paul Pierce, Brad Daugherty, John Drew

lhtgk - Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, Shawn Kemp
captainzen - Chauncey Billups, Kevin McHale, Tom Bowerwinkle, Calvin Natt
felonius - Bill Russell, Dirk Nowitzki, Clyde Drexler, Marques Johnson
98average - Kevin Garnett, Mookie Blaylock, Vince Carter, Horace Grant
coachcroft - Artis Gilmore, Jerry Lucas, Scottie Pippen, Mitch Richmond
bsmuke - Bob McAdoo, Carlos Boozer, Chris Mullin, Mark Price

coachcroft - Artis Gilmore, Jerry Lucas, Scottie Pippen

With Gilmore & Lucas already in tow, I like Pippen here.  That's rare, because I rarely like Pippen in the current sim.  If he was 100% at SG, I'd feel completely different about him, but since he's not in the majority of his seasons (the ones that are worthy of being used), I don't.  But he works here.  Both Gilmore & Lucas clean the glass, have high fg% and get to the line quite a bit for guys who aren't 22%+ usage.  That's good, because most pippen seasons don't.  He gives you lots of goods, though.  I like where this trio can go.  Really depends on your SG (or SF if you decide to use Pippen at SG) as to where this team goes.

This team should be interesting. I have not used Gilmore & Lucas in a long, long, time. I can remember when Lucas used to always be a top 10 pick and Gilmore just never falls to me at the right spot in a draft league. You're exactly right about pipp, ASH. I'm not a huge sim fan of Pippen, but he fits here. I liked his flexibility in regards to if I need 50% fg I can go with one of those seasons or if not, I can go with a lesser fg% and get more 3's. I usually like more rebounding from the 3, but your point is right on about getting plenty of boards from Gilmore and Lucas. I haven't considered Richmond very often (if at all) in the past, but I think he fits heretoo. He gives me 200+ made 3's, decent fta's, low to's and fouls. Pipp, Lucas & Gilmore are all D-studs so I didn't think Richmonds lack of would be a big deal. There were some other guys that normally I would have liked better, but another consideration with Richmond was that I didn't have a 20ppg scorer and Richmond was the best option for that. I've seen others do well with him. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

Richmond is a good example of why with the rare exception of about 4 or 5 players there really is no reason to reach for a 2 early when you get a perfectly fine high usage decent one in later rounds

Posted by felonius on 7/12/2010 11:08:00 AM (view original):
Richmond is a good example of why with the rare exception of about 4 or 5 players there really is no reason to reach for a 2 early when you get a perfectly fine high usage decent one in later rounds

Yup.  Jordan, Lebron, Wade = top 10 worthy.
McGrady, Kobe, Pierce = late 1st/early 2nd worthy.
Other than Drexler, I don't think anybody else is worthy of a look before the middle of the third round.

Carter and Mullin are a couple more that just went and I can name about 5 others just off the top of my head that would be serviceable in a 42 league

There's a pretty long list of players I'm stunned are still available.

Posted by felonius on 7/12/2010 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Carter and Mullin are a couple more that just went and I can name about 5 others just off the top of my head that would be serviceable in a 42 league

Yeah, there are a ton of bombers, both above and below 22% usage, that work in a $42M league.  Unless you're getting something truly special (ie those first 6 guys), they aren't worth the early pick imo.

I find that you and I seem to agree a lot on these things.  You think like a crafty veteran of these draft leagues

I'll probably wait to do more analysis till people start having a full roster of five.  Other comments will still come.

It doesn't remotely strike me as odd that some players always slip through later than one would expect; more likely, it is a mathematical certainty.

1st- we only need 24 starters at each position from all of NBA history, and some positions are simply deeper than others. If we had a draft where we had to start at the 1 and so on through 5, each round would look a lot different than they do now.

2nd- my admittedly limited experience leads me to believe that the League as a whole puts a massive amount of value on offensive rebounding, especially by position, so that about 12 of the 1st 20 picks in round one are always the same guys. If, in five rounds, you reduce one round to a near certainty, then there is a lot of leeway for the next 96 picks, and a lot of talent to fill those picks.


A simple example- Elton Brand wasn't even taken in the last ODL. but if you are looking for a Power Forward who doesn't foul, has a positive A\T ratio, scores(53% efg) and manages at least 12 rebounds per 48 minutes, the only better options are Garnett\Lucas\Duncan who will pretty much always be gone by the end of round 2. I'm sure that there are MANY players that when you make a very specific search pop up that you haven't even been considering. I wasn't looking for Brand in that round, I was looking for a specific criteria to fill the 4, and he matched those criteria. (BTW, it killed me to pass on Walton in that round, but realisticly his minutes are VERY expensive.)


My point is that there will always be some group of players in the "wow, that guy fell through!" group, pick them and be happy. Unless you already filled that spot,then some one else even later will pick them and be happier.

there's certain guys that are sim staples that are slipping, though, and that's surprising.  Penny going last pick of the 4th round, for example, is pretty nuts.  though I'm not a big fan of him in $42M, he's still a staple.  Also, there's a huge emphasis on rebounding in general.  More and more people are seeing that rebounding is the most important aspect of the sim, so more and more people are sacrificing good stats elsewhere to draft trash players that have high rebounding %s.

Defense/free throws/low turnovers/blocks/steals/usage... buy these things and maybe you'll benefit but maybe you won't.  Rebounding seems to be the one thing you can count on to give you what you paid for.  

Posted by lhtgk on 7/13/2010 2:33:00 PM (view original):
Defense/free throws/low turnovers/blocks/steals/usage... buy these things and maybe you'll benefit but maybe you won't.  Rebounding seems to be the one thing you can count on to give you what you paid for.  

And 3's.

Posted by ashamael on 7/13/2010 2:18:00 PM (view original):
there's certain guys that are sim staples that are slipping, though, and that's surprising.  Penny going last pick of the 4th round, for example, is pretty nuts.  though I'm not a big fan of him in $42M, he's still a staple.  Also, there's a huge emphasis on rebounding in general.  More and more people are seeing that rebounding is the most important aspect of the sim, so more and more people are sacrificing good stats elsewhere to draft trash players that have high rebounding %s.

Although as something of an experiment my last ODL team was a bit light on rebounds in favor of 3s and reasonably efficient FTAs.  Got as far as the conference finals despite a rebounding deficit.  I think the tradeoffs can be navigated - but having said that, yes, rebounding is generally at the top of my list.

Hmmm. I don't know that I've ever seen players traded in the ODL. . .but I'm willing to put someone on the block if that door is open.