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5/9/2011 12:22 PM
Posted by robocoach on 5/9/2011 10:56:00 AM (view original):
Objectively speaking, haven't all 535 members of Congress been involved in bankrupting at least 2 businesses?
Fannie Mae
Freddie Mac
5/9/2011 6:22 PM
fannie and freddie are fronts for the banking cartel and their off shore accounts... their not bankrupt, just conduits.
5/9/2011 6:42 PM
Ordinarily, I don't touch guys with high negatives, even if they have high positives, so the Baylor pick is way atypical for me.

But:
1) he is 99% at SG and 98% at PG, he may spend some time there.
2.) My rebounding is ridiculous.


Hope the tov's don't kill me.
5/9/2011 6:53 PM
efg%
5/9/2011 7:32 PM
I have 1400 Oreb's with 4 players, I can live with a few missed shots.
5/9/2011 7:35 PM
good luck with that
5/9/2011 7:42 PM
Yeah this commentary thread needs some help.
5/9/2011 8:16 PM
Posted by scudmissle on 5/9/2011 6:42:00 PM (view original):
fannie and freddie are fronts for the banking cartel and their off shore accounts... their not bankrupt, just conduits.
eh?  I wouldn't go that far...  Remember what I do for a living
5/9/2011 8:33 PM
There are several things to remember when looking at teams with the raised cap:

1) You still can't build a $47M team as good as an old $42M team.
2)  Many of the old staples have their overall value hurt by the defense changes, yet in this salary structure, it doesn't really hurt that bad.
3) The engine is still the same engine even if the sim seems different due to the massive player salary overhauls that have happened in the past few months.

xxevilivexx - Michael Jordan, Swen Nater, Elvin Hayes, Glen Rice, Jose Calderon
sappy - Moses Malone, Gary Payton, Ray Allen, Lamar Odom
tricky24 - Charles Barkley, Robert Parish, Reggie MIller, Danny Granger
robocoach - Dennis Rodman, Wes Unseld, Steve Nash, Elgin Baylor
ncih -  LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki, Terry Porter, Gerald Wallace
banditone - Kevin Durant, Jerry Lucas, Clyde Drexler, Roy Tarpley

jakotay - Wilt Chamberlain, Buck Williams, Kevin Johnson, Richard Jefferson
dh555 - Magic Johnson, Kevin Love, Donyell Marshall, Bob Lanier
badja - Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Scottie Pippen, Penny Hardaway, Larry Smith
malone9975 - Artis Gilmore, Hakeem Olajuwon, Andrei Kirilenko, Darrell Walker
felonius - Jason Kidd, Mel Daniels, Elton Brand, Willis Reed
sweg - Kevin Garnett, Troy Murphy, Bob McAdoo, Jason Richardson

all3 - Shaquille O'Neal, Bill Walton, Mike Miller, Clifford Ray
jcred5 - Larry Bird, Paul Pierce, Shawn Kemp, Charles Oakley
eleibowitz - Dwight Howard, Manu Ginobili, Deron Williams, Emeka Okafor
tarheel1991 - Dwyane Wade, Tim Duncan, Marcus Camby, Mookie Blaylock
scudmissle - David Robinson, Julius Erving, Marques Johnson, Horace Grant
empdenied - Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, Carlos Boozer, Wesley Person

98average - Chris Paul, Shawn Marion, Zelmo Beaty, Mike Dunleavy Jr
coachcroft - Kobe Bryant, Dikembe Mutombo, Larry Nance, Peja Stojakavic
mikee1 - Ben Wallace, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Willis, Cedric Maxwell
ljemd - Nate Thurmond, John Stockton, Billy Cunningham, Bob Pettit
bsmuke - Fat Lever, Derrick Rose, Walt Bellamy, Zach Randolph
captainzen - Chauncey Billups, Karl Malone, Tom Boerwinkle, Brent Barry
5/9/2011 11:46 PM (edited)
xxevilivexx - Michael Jordan, Swen Nater, Elvin Hayes

It's hard to blast someone for taking His Airness first, so I won't.  Lebron James or Dennis Rodman should be the first player taken in this league, however.  Still, you get a lot of good out of Mike.  Nater is a great compliment, and I felt you were going in the right direction, but then you drafted Elvin.  I assume you're using the 36%+ creb% season, which is 22.1% usage in the low/mid 40s efg%.  Why you take possessions away from Mike for that, I don't know.


sappy - Moses Malone, Gary Payton, Ray Allen, Lamar Odom

Again, passed on both Lebron & Rodman.  Moses is like Mike and should be drafted in that 3 to 7 range, but it's not like this was a terrible pick.  Payton is a meh pick.  He gives you boards and steals and some threes, but his high usage will take away from Moses' goodness.  As he will Ray's.  Allen was a great pick and great compliment, though his lack of FTAs has always made me favor the guy that went next in the draft.  Odom was a dynamite pick.  Owners should start to realize that SF is both the hardest and most important position to draft right.  I assume you're using him at SF, anyway.  If not, then all kinds of meh.


tricky24 - Charles Barkley, Robert Parish, Reggie MIller, Danny Granger

Chuck ain't Chuck no more... but he's still worth a top 10 pick.  I was assuming you were using him at the 3, but then you ended up drafting Granger... Parish was a nice pick, and Miller is a perfect compliment to Chuck... but then you went and got Granger.  He just messes up all the wonderful synergy you had going.


robocoach - Dennis Rodman, Wes Unseld, Steve Nash, Elgin Baylor

Finally someone took the Worm.  Then followed it up with a quality frontcourt mate in Unseld.  Nash works great here, assuming you pair him up with another... oh wait... you picked Elgin.  You'll probably lead the league in boards, especially with all the missed shots coming your way.  I do like some of what Baylor brings you at the two-guard, but meh.  Apparently it worked out decently for appleseed in the last league (or so I was told) but he just brings up all kinds of chances to lose you games by going on a mindless blank spree.


ncih -  LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki, Terry Porter, Gerald Wallace

Yay finally LeBron goes.  Dirk was a nice pairing, assuming you grab good boards at either the 4 or 5 & the 3.  Porter is slightly confusing as LeBron is most dominant as a point, but Porter's excellent efg% is a nice compliment... I was really on board with this team till the Wallace pick.  He should be played as a SG most of the time, and with this line-up, that's not going to happen.  You have a pretty glaring weakness on the offensive boards right now.


banditone - Kevin Durant, Jerry Lucas, Clyde Drexler, Roy Tarpley

Durant & Drexler?  It'll do some good stuff for you, but you'd been better off playing Durant at the 2 and going a different route for your 3.  Good pick with Lucas.  Might be early on Tarpley, but maybe not.


jakotay - Wilt Chamberlain, Buck Williams, Kevin Johnson, Richard Jefferson

Wilt at 7 is mind blowing, yet somewhat appropriate.  Buck gives him some nice help, yet I'm not a huge fan of him at the particular time he went.  Both Lucas & Unseld were available and would give you more boards (at some expense & sacrifice, yet would have synergized with Wilt better).  KJ helped me win 4 'ships in the ODL, so there's no complaints there.  He gives you everything except for boards that you could want out of a point guard.  I assume you're rocking the 10-11 RJ, in which case he's a good pick and a nice compliment to what you have here.  Best team through the first 7 picks.


dh555 - Magic Johnson, Kevin Love, Donyell Marshall, Bob Lanier

Love Magic.  Love Love.  Love Marshall... and hell, I love Lanier.  Every pick thus far is perfect and they all work together so wonderfully.  I know it's the first time his 10-11 season has been available and all, but umm... Love should have been a first round pick.  Like... a day one pick.  Abslute steal getting him on day 2 of round 2.


badja - Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Scottie Pippen, Penny Hardaway, Larry Smith

Never been a huge Kareem fan in the sim, but he definitely brings you some good stuff if you surround him with the right stuff.  Pippen gives you more of the same as Jabbar - super solid in many areas but desperately lacking in other areas of dire sim need.  However, since WIS finally made him usable as a SG, he's definitely late 2nd/early 3rd pick-worthy  Just don't use a higher usage season of him than Kareem.  I like the Penny pick and at the same time don't like it with this squad.  He gives you those ftas... some threes... some boards... nice ast% combined with Pippen... but I think you might have been better off to feature Kareem more and go with a PG in the ream of Terry Porter (I have 2 in mind but neither have been picked so I can't say names).  Smith was an outstanding pick.  He can be a perfect four for you, or, if the right guy drops, has some really nice seasons that you can use at the 3.  Fouls suck, though :(


malone9975 - Artis Gilmore, Hakeem Olajuwon, Andrei Kirilenko, Darrell Walker

I love the Gilmore/Dream duo and thought you were going somewhere I like.  Then ak47 came along and changed that.  I like your high defense/blocks idea... I just think you'll be disappointed at how it turns out.  Walker helps ease the board woes that resulted in your 2nd & 3rd round picks (consecutively), but gives you nothing interesting offensively.  You need a great perimeter scorer, and the best of those are already gone.  You got a shot at one or two in round 5


felonius - Jason Kidd, Mel Daniels, Elton Brand, Willis Reed

There's 3 100% point guards that give you 55%+ efg% and 15%+ creb% of reasonable minutes in the sim.  Add in the 200+ 3s he'll give you, the reasonable tov%, the steals, the low fouls, and the low usage and Kidd is the 2nd best PG in the sim (after Lebron).  Oh yeah and he has 30%+ ast%, which gives him a big nod over the other guy in consideration (Brent Barry... Magic doesn't give you the threes).  Kidd is definitely a 1st rounder and should almost always be right around that top 10 range.  He allows you so much more flexibility in every single other pick you make, which you definitely took advantage of.  Daniels was already a beast and just got better as so many other board hoarders got their D nerfed.  You understand what I said earlier about SF being so important and got a superb rebounder for the position who'll also give you a lot of good on both ends of the floor.  Reed continues get you praise, as he's almost an afterthought but can be so good (even though I don't like using him... he's still superb).  Best team of the first 11.


sweg - Kevin Garnett, Troy Murphy, Bob McAdoo, Jason Richardson

Was on the fence about the Garnett pick... seemed early, as most people use him as a 4 and he shouldn't be taken that high for that position.  Murphy made me even more nervous, as you are looking at some low oreb% from your starting bigs... and then you made me forget all of my worries when you took McAdoo.  Why was this guy still here in round 3?  Incredible frontcourt, if expensive.  J-Rich just adds to the goodness, though you probably should have went with a lower usage bomber to get the most out of McAdoo.  Still, nice, nice start.  How are you going to tie it all together with your point guard?  That's what I'm really interested in seeing.


5/9/2011 9:13 PM
you'll really like who I am picking next if he's still there then
5/9/2011 9:21 PM
xxevilivexx - Michael Jordan, Swen Nater, Elvin Hayes

It's hard to blast someone for taking His Airness first, so I won't.  Lebron James or Dennis Rodman should be the first player taken in this league, however.  Still, you get a lot of good out of Mike.  Nater is a great compliment, and I felt you were going in the right direction, but then you drafted Elvin.  I assume you're using the 36%+ creb% season, which is 22.1% usage in the low/mid 40s efg%.  Why you take possessions away from Mike for that, I don't know.



- I have a tendency to get killed on the glass, or not having enough viable scoring options. I chose Hayes quickly and I suppose there was other options, but the rebounding was the key factor. I have scoring options beyond MJ now.

5/9/2011 10:33 PM
all3 - Shaquille O'Neal, Bill Walton, Mike Miller, Clifford Ray

Shaq's one of those rare guys you can build a dominant inside-outside around who doesn't just suck in other key areas.  Walton helps him a lot because of the boards, and I approve of the rotation you'll have between Walton and Ray.  That's solid.  Miller gives you killer boards for a SG and provides you with that "outside" part of the inside-outside.  Really interested to see who you pick at the point and where you go with the three position, but so far, this is a solid, solid team.


jcred5 - Larry Bird, Paul Pierce, Shawn Kemp, Charles Oakley

Man, Bird became so much more viable with the inclusion of TS% in the formula and the nerfs to his defense... the combination brought many of his seasons down to a cost that actually reflects how he performs in the sim.  I love the combination with Pierce.  I really wonder which version of each you're going to use... but almost either way, I am worried about your oreb% (dreb% is solid).  Kemp helps with that, as does Oakley, but both are foul machines.  Kemp gives you some great efg% but high tov% and will take away from what Legend & Truth bring you.  Overall, though, this team is one that'll beat a lot of people (people who feel they shouldn't be beat by a team like this).  The foul spikes will cost you several games.


eleibowitz - Dwight Howard, Manu Ginobili, Deron Williams, Emeka Okafor

Howard should probably be a top 10 pick.  He's one of the few paint monsters in the sim, and on top of that, he's a board hoarder... and he gets your opponent in foul trouble.  He also plays defense.  I am a big fan of Ginobili in the sim, but I'm worry whenever you pair an efg% monster with someone who has higher usage.  D-Will further takes possessions away from Howard, but I like the synergy here.  Since you went with 2 other tier 3 (or higher) players, I'd imagine you're not using Howard's 10-11 season and instead looking at either the 07-08 or the 08-09, but I've been wrong before.  Okafor was a fantastic pick for this squad.


tarheel1991 - Dwyane Wade, Tim Duncan, Marcus Camby, Mookie Blaylock

I'm a huge fan of Wade's 09 season.  It's a super solid to build around.  Even after all the changes, I still don't like Duncan in the sim too much.  He does have a couple of good seasons, though, as long as you pair him with someone like... Marcus Camby.  Very nice pickup.  Mookie kind of confused me, as D-Wade is 100% at PG and can totally be the PG for a championship sim squad, but then again, Mookie gives you a lot of good.  It appears as though you're giving defense a lot of thought... and D-Wade + Mookie will result in a lot of forced turnovers.  Gotta love that.  Mookie (assuming you're using the Mookie I'm thinking of) gives you a lot of threes.  Assuming you don't do something silly with your small forward, I like it.


scudmissle - David Robinson, Julius Erving, Marques Johnson, Horace Grant

Love the admiral pick... he's one of my favorites to build around.  No matter what I do with Dr. J, I always end up wishing I had just picked a guard that shoots threes... he does give you some serious rebounding in the backcourt, however!  Marques is exactly the type of three man that you need in this version of the sim... I expect to see him start getting drafted earlier and earlier as this league continues.  Horace confuses me.  I know you've got good boards at your 2 & 3, but not enough to skimp on boards as much as you have at your 4.  Still, there's a lot to like about sim-Horace.  You've got excellent efg% all around... but where are the threes?


empdenied - Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, Carlos Boozer, Wesley Person

If you know how to look at Oscar, you'll find that he has a lot of value in the current sim.  As long as you're not expecting triple-doubles all season long (and 30ppg), you shouldn't be disappointed.  Russell in the 2nd is pretty ridiculous but is what his value actually is.  Boozer in the third is absurd and is a wonderful compliment to Oscar.  Person gave you what you needed next.  Where you goin' for your three man?  This team could be amazing or merely average depending on what you do with that fifth starter.


98average - Chris Paul, Shawn Marion, Zelmo Beaty, Mike Dunleavy Jr

everyone's heard my rant about why CP3 is overrated in the sim by now... but he's suddenly much cheaper... and suddenly a better value because of it.  Matrix should be a first rounder... there's very few players out there that can give you everything he gives you at the 3.  Beaty is solid if unspectacular as a 4 man... nice efg% with decent boards.  Dunleavy Jr really rounds out this squad.  Only thing you need is monster rebounding, which can easily still be had in the latter rounds.


coachcroft - Kobe Bryant, Dikembe Mutombo, Larry Nance, Peja Stojakavic

Kobe is Kobe.  Mutombo is a great compliment.  Nance is one of those elite sim small forwards.  I'm not sure what the hell Peja's doing on this squad, though.  Maybe you're doing something funny and playing him at the 2 with Kobe at the 1?  Is there some huge rebounding, high ast% power forward out there?  If there is, then this squad is NICE.  If not, and you're playing Nance at the 4 with Peja at the 3... You've got very weak rebounding.  Your incredible tov% won't make up for it.


mikee1 - Ben Wallace, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Willis, Cedric Maxwell

Wallace should pretty much always be drafted around the turnaround, so good job there.  TMAC is a monster and should probably be a first rounder.  Close to the turnaround pick is not unexpected, though... great value with both picks.  I'm not high on Willis, but I suppose getting him late in the 3rd is good value.  I just wouldn't want him taking possessions away from tmac.  Maxwell is a nice three and a wonderful compliment to tmac.  If you had a lower usage board hoarder instead of Willis, I'd feel inclined to say you easily have 60 wins here... but Willis drops that dramatically.  He's just not as good as you think when you see his numbers.


ljemd - Nate Thurmond, John Stockton, Billy Cunningham, Bob Pettit

Nate the great is nowhere near as great in the sim as he was IRL, and not even John Stockton can help him.  Cunningham gives you a lot of what you want from your small forward, but gives you a lot of what you don't want in the sim.  Pettit's just... another old player who continues to get worse with every change WIS makes to "balance" eras, when what they really do is make them further imbalanced.  This team is in strong contention for worst of the draft at this point.


bsmuke - Fat Lever, Derrick Rose, Walt Bellamy, Zach Randolph

Love Fat, but that was probably early.  Rose's MVP year is good but probably not something you want to build around.  The combination confuses me, but at least you've got good backcourt boards.  Bellamy is not as bad as some people would have you think, but he doesn't save this team.  Zach Randolph actually isn't that bad, assuming you're using this season's version.


captainzen - Chauncey Billups, Karl Malone, Tom Boerwinkle, Brent Barry

Well, Cap'n, you know what I like... you've got one of my favorites with Chauncey.  Threes, assists, incredible tov%, gets to the line a ton, doesn't foul much, even plays defense!  And the price is right, too.  Mailman provides a great inside punch and is another Line-Liver.  Boerwinkle is the perfect board hoard for this team, and his high ast% only helps Big Shot & Mailman.  And if there's a better complimentary backcourt player than Brent Barry in the sim, I haven't found him.  Like many of the other teams, your small forward can take a good team to a great team if you do it right.  This is one of the best five teams of the draft.


5/9/2011 11:44 PM
xxevilivexx - Michael Jordan, Swen Nater, Elvin Hayes, Glen Rice, Jose Calderon

If you were going to take Rice, (that is just another reason to) leave Elvin the hell alone.  MJ + Rice is all the usage you need.  You could literally fill the team up with Dennis Rodmans (Rodmen?) and have enough possessions.  But that's not a good combo because then you're playing one at SF, and neither have enough boards to really be a good three in the current environment.  I would say you could use 88-89 Jordan and play Rice at Shooting Guard, but then you drafted Calderon.  I really like Calderon, actually, but the damage has already been done.  A better plan would have been Boozer instead of Hayes and a SF that rebounds and has lower usage instead of Rice.  Jordan plus Boozer (would) equal all kinds of crazy efficiency!
5/9/2011 11:52 PM
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