Mock Draft - Rankings Final - Mj brings it home Topic

I'm not going to claim this team is the greatest this, or the greatest that.  All I'm going to say is that this team is consistant, solid, and ultra-efficient.  I really don't think it has any holes.

Artis Gilmore 72-73 Colonels C 82 41.7 20.8 56.0 50.0 64.4 5.5 17.6 3.5 3.4 1.3 3.3 3.6
Bill Laimbeer 83-84 Pistons C 82 34.9 17.3 53.0 0.0 86.6 4.0 12.2 1.8 1.8 0.6 1.0 3.3
Pau Gasol 10-11 Lakers PF 82 37.0 18.8 52.9 33.3 82.3 3.3 10.2 3.3 1.7 0.6 1.6 2.5
Charles Barkley 86-87 76ers PF 68 40.3 23.0 59.4 20.2 76.1 5.7 14.6 4.9 4.7 1.8 1.5 3.7
Adrian Dantley 77-78 Lakers SF 79 37.1 21.9 51.2 34.3 79.6 3.4 7.8 3.2 2.9 1.5 0.3 2.9
Ray Allen 00-01 Bucks SG 82 38.2 22.0 48.0 43.3 88.8 1.2 5.3 4.6 2.5 1.5 0.2 2.3
Derek Harper 89-90 Mavericks PG 82 36.7 18.0 48.8 37.1 79.4 0.7 3.0 7.4 2.5 2.3 0.3 2.7
Terrell Brandon 95-96 Cavaliers PG 75 34.3 19.3 46.5 38.7 88.7 0.6 3.3 6.5 1.9 1.8 0.4 1.9
8/26/2011 12:11 PM
11  all3 5 all3 12 all3 9 all3 9 all3: 14  all3 0 all3 4 all3 3  All3
2  ashamael 3 ashamel 1 ashamael 3 ashamel 4 ashamael: 3  ashamael 5 ashamael 9 ashamael 5  Ash
5  badja 14 badja 5 badja 13 badja 5 badja: 6  badja 9 badja 8 badja 4  Badja
9  dh555 1 dh555 6 dh555 7 dh555 3 dh555 0  dh555 8 dh555 7 dh555 1  Dh555
3  empdened 2 empdenied 4 empdenied 1 emp 0 empdenied 4  empdenied 6 empdenied 1 empdenied 2  Emp
7  garyman 4 garyman 7 garyman 5 gary 1 garyman 5  garyman 2 garyman 3 garyman 11  Gary
8  imahobbit 8 imahobbit 0 imahobbit 4 imahobbit 12 imahobbit: 8  imahobbit 13 imahobbit 6 imahobbit 6  imaHobbit
4  jayharvill 7 jayharvill 10 jayharvill 11 jayharvill 14 jayharvill: 9  jayharvill 11 jayharvill 11 jayhavrill 7  Jay
6  logain 9 logain 3 logain 0 logain 6 logain: 7  logain 14 logain 14 logain 10  Logain
0  longtallbrad 6 longtallbrad 2 longtallbrad 2 longtallbrad 8 longtallbrad: 1  longtallbrad 1 longtallbrad 2 longtallbrad 8  longtallbrad
1  malone9975 0 malone 8 malone 8 malone 2 malone9975 2  malone9975 4 malone9975 10 malone 9  Malone
14  sappy 12 sappy 15 sappy 12 sappy 15 sappy: 13  sappy 12 sappy 13 sappy 0  sappy
12  snydpie 10 snydpie 9 snydpie 6 snydpie 7 snydpie: 10  snydpie 7 snyydpie 5 snydpie 15  Snyd
10  steelers821 13 steelers 11 steelers 10 steelers 13 steelers821: 11  steelers821 10 steelers821 0 steelers 13  Steelers
13  sweg 11 sweg 13 sweg 14 sweg 10 sweg: 12  sweg 15 sweg 12 sweg 12  Sweg
15  xxevilivexx 15 xxevilivexx 14 xxevil 15 xxevil 11 xxevilivexx: 15  xxevilivexx 3 xxevilivexx 15 xxevil 14  xxEvil
8/28/2011 1:10 AM
Above are the rankings as submitted to me.
8/28/2011 1:11 AM
and Emp wins!
Emp had 2 1st place votes but no vote lower than 6th
Malone had a 1st place vote
dh had 2 1st place votes
Ash had 1 1st place vote
gary's team had 1 1st place vote
brad had 2 1st place votes.. the difference vs. emp is brad's two 8th place votes

xxevil was 14th or 15th on all lists but two.. where he got an 11th and a 3rd
sweg and steelers had no votes higher than 10th
sappy had no votes higher than 12th
8/28/2011 1:22 AM
owner total ranking standard dev Avg Ranking
 Emp 23 1.726888201 2.875
 longtallbrad 30 3.058944729 3.75
 Ash 35 2.315407332 3.888888889
 Gary 45 3.041381265 5
 Dh555 42 3.150963571 5.25
 Malone 44 3.625307869 5.5
 Badja 69 3.674234614 7.666666667
 imaHobbit 65 3.044315546 8.125
 All3 67 3.997767234 8.375
 Logain 69 3.925648263 8.625
 Snyd 81 3.16227766 9
 Jay 84 2.958039892 9.333333333
 Steelers 91 1.407885953 11.375
 Sweg 112 1.509230856 12.44444444
 xxEvil 117 3.968626967 13
 sappy 106 1.281739889 13.25
8/28/2011 1:44 AM
sorry we have to use the avg ranking because not everyone voted
8/28/2011 1:45 AM
oops!  If I had voted, Brad would win.  Sorry brad-
8/28/2011 1:45 AM
It's cool...this gives me a shot at underdog status in the tournament... ;)

Thanks for putting that together and crunching the numbers, logain.
8/28/2011 7:30 AM
I'm traveling this weekend.  Does anyone have time to put together a 16-team bracket using these rankings?  I can then suggest a schedule, with a round of games every other day...with the first round on Monday or Tuesday, depending on what people prefer.
8/28/2011 8:19 AM
Okay, to elaborate...

My proposal is a single elimination tournament, with teams seeded in a conventional 1-16 format using the rankings from the voting. 

Prior to the start of play, each of us posts our rosters indicating a single season we are are using for each player.  Longevity is not an issue for this phase...this is to settle the "what if" question.  Which squad comes out on top if these guys are actually faced each other on the court? 

There's a gameplan day before each round.  GMs are free to (and strongly encouraged to) post their strategy.  How do you see the matchups working?  How (if at all) are you adjusting to the opponent?  What do you believe are your team's strengths, and how can your your players realistically counter the opponents' strengths?  Are you running, freezing, pressing, pounding inside?  These don't have to be long, but even a short paragraph or a few bullet points will give voters something to consider. 

On game days, everyone votes in the same thread.  You can just leave it at "A beats B, and X beats Y," but it's preferable to give some reasoning (B has no chance at stopping A's penetration, and X will get to the line 50 times).  By first thing the next morning, I'll count the votes (although voting will be transparent) and gameplanning will immediately begin for the next round.

We could try to agree on some criteria for voting, although I think part of the excruciating fun of this kind of mock draft is the fact that we bring different perspectives and assumptions to the evaluation.  Do you dock players from earlier eras for shooting less efficiently than some of their modern counterparts, or do you assume that the greats will still be great and will find a way to hold their own?  The debates are half the fun.

Happy to consider changes to this, but there's a suggestion to get us started.  I say if at least 10 out of 16 are in, we should run it.  What do you all think?
8/28/2011 9:32 AM
I am in...plus whoever voted me tenth is a crackhead
8/28/2011 10:38 AM
Posted by malone9975 on 8/28/2011 10:38:00 AM (view original):
I am in...plus whoever voted me tenth is a crackhead
oh it was steelers....that figures
8/28/2011 10:40 AM
Amazing that I got 3 top 5 votes but also 3 votes outside the top 10.

I'm guessing that's where the consistent vs. peak thing came in. 
If consistency isn't a factor, you might as well remove my team from any Tornament that is set-up, because as I said early, I didn't even consider Drafting a player if he didn't have at least 5 full seasons as a full-time, highly-productive player.
Had I known we were now going to say "throw your teams on the court for a game and lets see who wins", I would have Drafted very different. 
8/28/2011 11:00 AM
We can change that angle if you want.  We could vote on which team is best positioned for a five-year run of dominance.  (I don't really care.  I just get off on the hoops history what-if arguments.)
8/28/2011 12:44 PM
Posted by malone9975 on 8/28/2011 10:40:00 AM (view original):
Posted by malone9975 on 8/28/2011 10:38:00 AM (view original):
I am in...plus whoever voted me tenth is a crackhead
oh it was steelers....that figures
first of all people like paul and durant shouldnt be in this league and since they r i dont see them playing more than 20minuets a game and then who is going to play pg for your team.
8/28/2011 1:58 PM
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