Is this collusion? Topic

jeffkahleb
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11/8/2011 11:10:00 AM
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David hartman
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How much are you in to him as the QB? I see no need to get in to a bidding war for him (esp. since you have a ton of advantages over me anyway LOL).




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11/8/2011 2:27 PM
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11/8/2011 2:47 PM
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Posted by cydrych on 11/8/2011 2:47:00 PM (view original):
11/8/2011 2:47 PM
champ83
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Not necessarily.  He may have been letting you think he would back off, and then he would spend big at the end and get the player.  I've been in a several exchanges such as this, I seldom tell the truth because I know not to believe everything another coach says, especially when you are battling over a player.  If anyone is going to be misled in such a situation, it will be the other coach and not me.  Gamesmanship, as Joe Rogan called it on Fear Factor.  It's fun.
11/8/2011 3:07 PM
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It is a collusion *attempt*.  It is only collusion if two parties cooperate...
11/8/2011 3:07 PM
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Posted by llad_lu76 on 11/8/2011 3:07:00 PM (view original):
It is a collusion *attempt*.  It is only collusion if two parties cooperate...
Exactly.  To me it seems like an innocent waving of the white flag (with a small hope that you would respond with: I've moved on from him, have at it).

Collusion is an agreement between two (or more) parties.

This kind of thing happens in sports all the time.  I'm reading Moneyball now, that describes how Billy Beane frequently called his counterparts trying to get insight into what they were thinking.
11/8/2011 3:24 PM
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Good recruiting strategy rather than collusion. Very possible he's trying to pull a fast one over you, making you think he's going to bail on the player if you respond "I'm very into him and I will sign him." At signing dump 15 CV and he signs the player. 

Real collusion need to have something like "oh wow, so you kicked my &&& and won an NC and now we jump on the same guy 1 cycle before signing. How about you let me take this guy (since you won't be able to beat me anyway in a battle) and when the same thing happens next time, I'll let you sign him."

The above message (paraphrased, not exact) is what I got in HD a month ago. Now that's an offer to collude. 
11/8/2011 4:12 PM
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From the faiplay guidelines.

Collusive transactions

Collusion includes any act that supports bad, deceitful or illegal behavior agreed upon by two or more users. Here are a few examples:

  • Trades that clearly benefit one side.
  • Dropping/waiving a player so that another team may pick him up.
  • Using 1 team to scout for another team.
  • Making agreements with other users to go or not go after specific players with the intent of avoiding recruiting/negotiation battles.
  • Coaching 2 or more teams in the same world using multiple user IDs within the same conference or regional area of the country is not allowed as it presents opportunities for collusive behavior. All such situations brought to our attention will be investigated and violations of this policy will result in the removal or relocation of one or all of the IDs.
  • Intentionally throwing a game to ensure another team improves its chances for a post-season bid.
  • Intentionally signing questionable players that benefit the former club (i.e. Type-A free-agents in Hardball Dynasty.)
  • Arranging a trade with another franchise so the other franchise can sign a free-agent resulting in the other franchise receiving compensation picks.

Any owner caught colluding for the first time will receive a sitemail and email from us regarding the action. Future violations will result in appropriate consequences. This may include the stripping of all offending teams controlled by the owner(s).

Clearly an attempt to make an agreement to not go after a certain player. Clearly against fairplay guidelines.

11/8/2011 4:18 PM
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Wait.  What?  You guys are insane.  Dmurphy is right on.  This is a clear attempt by pnedwek to collude with Jeff.  He is declaring the player he is interested in and trying to pry information from Jeff that would give him inside information on whether or not to spend any additional money.   Whether he explicitly states the formal agreement or not, he's trying to avoid a battle, presumably so that he will have more money to acquire another player at another coach's expense.  It's not being social, clever, or resourceful, it's cheating. 

Had Jeff responded with "this dude is mine, bugger off" or "I looked at him early but I found someone better, he's all yours," it absolutely would have been collusion.  He could have just ignored the sitemail but Jeff's response to report the attempt was the best thing to do.
11/8/2011 4:44 PM
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11/8/2011 4:44 PM Customer Support
Thanks for the note, we've sent the user a warning about this and our fair play guidelines.
11/8/2011 5:01 PM
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Still don't think it was collusion... but DO think a warning was appropriate.  It could have very well been an attempt to make that agreement and doing what is necessary to eliminate collusion is always a good idea.
11/8/2011 5:35 PM
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It's funny how many people in these threads think collusion is not collusion. 
11/8/2011 5:52 PM
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I'm taken back by the amount of collusion thats going on. Something needs to be done so this sort of behavior will never happen.

REMOVE THE SITEMAIL FEATURE,

or I'll tell mom.
11/8/2011 5:57 PM
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Posted by cydrych on 11/8/2011 4:45:00 PM (view original):
Wait.  What?  You guys are insane.  Dmurphy is right on.  This is a clear attempt by pnedwek to collude with Jeff.  He is declaring the player he is interested in and trying to pry information from Jeff that would give him inside information on whether or not to spend any additional money.   Whether he explicitly states the formal agreement or not, he's trying to avoid a battle, presumably so that he will have more money to acquire another player at another coach's expense.  It's not being social, clever, or resourceful, it's cheating. 

Had Jeff responded with "this dude is mine, bugger off" or "I looked at him early but I found someone better, he's all yours," it absolutely would have been collusion.  He could have just ignored the sitemail but Jeff's response to report the attempt was the best thing to do.
What about coaches from D1AA asking a D1A (or D3 coach asking D2 coach) coach late in recruiting if a player considering him is a backup for him? This was pretty common when I was still playing GD and I guess that was collusion as well?
11/8/2011 6:11 PM
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Quote post by cydrych on 11/8/2011 4:45:00 PM:
Wait.  What?  You guys are insane.  Dmurphy is right on.  This is a clear attempt by pnedwek to collude with Jeff.  He is declaring the player he is interested in and trying to pry information from Jeff that would give him inside information on whether or not to spend any additional money.   Whether he explicitly states the formal agreement or not, he's trying to avoid a battle, presumably so that he will have more money to acquire another player at another coach's expense.  It's not being social, clever, or resourceful, it's cheating. 

Had Jeff responded with "this dude is mine, bugger off" or "I looked at him early but I found someone better, he's all yours," it absolutely would have been collusion.  He could have just ignored the sitemail but Jeff's response to report the attempt was the best thing to do.

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If I only had a dollar everytime I heard Jeff slur those words at happy hour....
 
11/8/2011 6:17 PM
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