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Yes.
7/8/2010 8:34 AM
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Posted by wrmiller13 on 7/8/2010 8:03:00 AM (view original):
Posted by creilmann on 7/6/2010 6:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/6/2010 6:05:00 PM (view original):
The only universal truths of our government for the 40 years before Bush was Democratic House and increase in government. Republicans took control for a short while and were bogged down in a global war gainst terror.

Again Dems control the house and government is expanding.
You cannot control two out of three bodies of government for the majority of 30 years and then blame the opposition for your disappointments.  The Dems had that control from WWII up until the Reagan years.  The GOP has controlled it since.  We're in the midst of 30 years of supply side economic policies.  Is the average family better off today than they were in the midst of demand side policies back in the 50's or 60's?

But it is ok to control all 3 sides and blame the opposition for stopping your plans?

No it's not.  It goes to show a couple of things though.

1.  The filibuster needs to be eliminated.  You shouldn't need a supermajority on every vote to pass legislation.  On the other hand, the Dems could fight fire with fire in using reconciliation on some of these votes but they're too afraid of being called bad names.

2.  A multi-party system is needed.  The truth is, the Dems may control congress, but a Democrat can mean many things at the moment.  Most of these Blue Dogs are closer to conservatives than they are to liberals.  How can one support a party when there are multiple agendas within that party?  I understand that there will be differing opinions within a party, but the basic philosophies should be the same.  
7/8/2010 11:22 AM (edited)
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Posted by raucous on 7/7/2010 8:28:00 AM (view original):
...and decades of Keynesian Economics has cripple the European Union, especially the PIGS.
Again, go back and do your homework.  Tax cuts do not make you a Keynesian and the problems of countries like Greece go far beyond economic theory and well into flat out corruption on multiple levels.  
7/8/2010 11:23 AM (edited)
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Seriously.  There's economic theory, and then there's the completely inept and corrupt implementation of that that theory.  The two have very little to do with one another.
7/8/2010 11:09 AM
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Posted by creilmann on 7/8/2010 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by wrmiller13 on 7/8/2010 8:03:00 AM (view original):
Posted by creilmann on 7/6/2010 6:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/6/2010 6:05:00 PM (view original):
The only universal truths of our government for the 40 years before Bush was Democratic House and increase in government. Republicans took control for a short while and were bogged down in a global war gainst terror.

Again Dems control the house and government is expanding.
You cannot control two out of three bodies of government for the majority of 30 years and then blame the opposition for your disappointments.  The Dems had that control from WWII up until the Reagan years.  The GOP has controlled it since.  We're in the midst of 30 years of supply side economic policies.  Is the average family better off today than they were in the midst of demand side policies back in the 50's or 60's?

But it is ok to control all 3 sides and blame the opposition for stopping your plans?

No it's not.  It goes to show a couple of things though.

1.  The filibuster needs to be eliminated.  You shouldn't need a supermajority on every vote to pass legislation.  On the other hand, the Dems could fight fire with fire in using reconciliation on some of these votes but they're too afraid of being called bad names.

2.  A multi-party system is needed.  The truth is, the Dems may control congress, but a Democrat can mean many things at the moment.  Most of these Blue Dogs are closer to conservatives than they are to liberals.  How can one support a party when there are multiple agendas within that party?  I understand that there will be differing opinions within a party, but the basic philosophies should be the same.  
1 Everyone always wants things like this eliminated when they are in power, or out of power depending on what the rule is. Majority have enough power to force their will on the country as it is. Major legislation whould take a serious compromise.

2 You want more than one party, but are bothered that a party might not be 100% in lockstep with each other?? We have more than one party now, They just operate under the Democrats and Republicans!
7/12/2010 3:18 PM
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Posted by rlahann on 7/8/2010 11:09:00 AM (view original):
Seriously.  There's economic theory, and then there's the completely inept and corrupt implementation of that that theory.  The two have very little to do with one another.

Every time you get the government involved, corruption happens. 

7/13/2010 3:42 PM
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As corrupt as corp. CEO's? Oh I forgot, capitalism is God's gift to humanity.
7/13/2010 5:29 PM
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Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/12/2010 3:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by creilmann on 7/8/2010 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by wrmiller13 on 7/8/2010 8:03:00 AM (view original):
Posted by creilmann on 7/6/2010 6:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/6/2010 6:05:00 PM (view original):
The only universal truths of our government for the 40 years before Bush was Democratic House and increase in government. Republicans took control for a short while and were bogged down in a global war gainst terror.

Again Dems control the house and government is expanding.
You cannot control two out of three bodies of government for the majority of 30 years and then blame the opposition for your disappointments.  The Dems had that control from WWII up until the Reagan years.  The GOP has controlled it since.  We're in the midst of 30 years of supply side economic policies.  Is the average family better off today than they were in the midst of demand side policies back in the 50's or 60's?

But it is ok to control all 3 sides and blame the opposition for stopping your plans?

No it's not.  It goes to show a couple of things though.

1.  The filibuster needs to be eliminated.  You shouldn't need a supermajority on every vote to pass legislation.  On the other hand, the Dems could fight fire with fire in using reconciliation on some of these votes but they're too afraid of being called bad names.

2.  A multi-party system is needed.  The truth is, the Dems may control congress, but a Democrat can mean many things at the moment.  Most of these Blue Dogs are closer to conservatives than they are to liberals.  How can one support a party when there are multiple agendas within that party?  I understand that there will be differing opinions within a party, but the basic philosophies should be the same.  
1 Everyone always wants things like this eliminated when they are in power, or out of power depending on what the rule is. Majority have enough power to force their will on the country as it is. Major legislation whould take a serious compromise.

2 You want more than one party, but are bothered that a party might not be 100% in lockstep with each other?? We have more than one party now, They just operate under the Democrats and Republicans!
I have no party in power.  For the most part, the Dems do not represent my interests and the GOP certainly did not when they were in power.  The filibuster is an overused and ridiculous procedure that will become more abused as the power of the Senate switches back and forth.  End it now.  The majority is there because the public elected them there.  The majority should be able to ban together and pass the legislation that people elected them to pass.  That's called democracy.

If you go back and read my statement, you'll see that I said that differing opinions within a party should be tolerated, but an overall philosophy on government and major issues of the time should be agreed upon.  If I'm a liberal Democrat, do I really have anything in common with Ben Nelson?
7/13/2010 7:01 PM (edited)
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Posted by raucous on 7/13/2010 3:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rlahann on 7/8/2010 11:09:00 AM (view original):
Seriously.  There's economic theory, and then there's the completely inept and corrupt implementation of that that theory.  The two have very little to do with one another.

Every time you get the government involved, corruption happens. 

First, corruption can exist within a government without crippling the government.  Second, where does the influence for that corruption come from?
7/13/2010 6:57 PM
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Anyone else see the irony in this?

7/13/2010 6:58 PM
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Yep.  The guy in the middle hasn't murdered millions of people.
7/13/2010 8:47 PM
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Hasn't murdered millions of people yet, you mean.
7/13/2010 8:57 PM
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Posted by raucous on 7/13/2010 3:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rlahann on 7/8/2010 11:09:00 AM (view original):
Seriously.  There's economic theory, and then there's the completely inept and corrupt implementation of that that theory.  The two have very little to do with one another.

Every time you get the government involved, corruption happens. 

maybe, but you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that corruption doesn't exist every time when corperations (profit making enterprises) are involved, aka the Republican view of Government, which is the flip side of a Democratic "big government"
7/13/2010 9:00 PM
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Posted by antonsirius on 7/13/2010 8:57:00 PM (view original):
Hasn't murdered millions of people yet, you mean.
Actually, I was thinking more about the "prey(ing) on the fearful and naive" part.
7/13/2010 10:05 PM
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Posted by antonsirius on 7/13/2010 8:57:00 PM (view original):
Hasn't murdered millions of people yet, you mean.
I do not think that is on his agenda.
7/14/2010 7:55 AM
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