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I've never won fewer than 71 games with a team other than the MLB/erff rebuild.  Just to clarify, outside of trying to fix a broken organization, I do think 60 wins seems like a reasonable floor.  I just think rebuilds/fixerups taken over from someone else's mess can't fairly be held to the same standard as everyone else in a league, which is the basis for most/all of my earlier arguments against.
7/27/2010 1:59 PM
I nominate TM to be in charge of the $ tank task force
7/27/2010 2:01 PM
Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 1:59:00 PM (view original):
I've never won fewer than 71 games with a team other than the MLB/erff rebuild.  Just to clarify, outside of trying to fix a broken organization, I do think 60 wins seems like a reasonable floor.  I just think rebuilds/fixerups taken over from someone else's mess can't fairly be held to the same standard as everyone else in a league, which is the basis for most/all of my earlier arguments against.
Don't buy it.  Maybe HR was the best use of your JD after all.
7/27/2010 2:04 PM
Posted by dherz_263 on 7/27/2010 2:01:00 PM (view original):
I nominate TM to be in charge of the $ tank task force
Perfect.  That way nothing will ever get done and Nuge and his crew will be happy.
7/27/2010 2:04 PM
Posted by babypop985 on 7/27/2010 1:12:00 PM (view original):
I just lost Timo Reed for 85 days in HR.

At what point can I bring up a prospect with three seasons completed and not start the arb clock? Also, if anyone wants this guy he's available for a minor league hitter.

Martin Huang (L) 28 LF 100 89 88 76 8 48 70 61 79 81 66 46 56 2 $327K  
That guy is a lot better when I don't realize what the categories are actually referring to.
7/27/2010 2:04 PM
Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 1:58:00 PM (view original):
All for not if Rourke2775 doesn't man up.
7/27/2010 2:07 PM
Posted by tisi29 on 7/27/2010 2:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dherz_263 on 7/27/2010 2:01:00 PM (view original):
I nominate TM to be in charge of the $ tank task force
Perfect.  That way nothing will ever get done and Nuge and his crew will be happy.
and we will have a task force, which is nice.
7/27/2010 2:07 PM
Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 1:49:00 PM (view original):
Hey, if Robusk says  talking to Moy is like talking to a 14-year old girl, I think only Nuge is qualified to challenge the point.
Cmon man...I keep everything legal...and robusk is just as much of a kidtoucher as I am
7/27/2010 2:09 PM
Posted by tisi29 on 7/27/2010 2:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dherz_263 on 7/27/2010 2:01:00 PM (view original):
I nominate TM to be in charge of the $ tank task force
Perfect.  That way nothing will ever get done and Nuge and his crew will be happy.
What crew?  I'm a lone wolf.
7/27/2010 2:10 PM
Posted by hugenuge42 on 7/27/2010 2:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 1:49:00 PM (view original):
Hey, if Robusk says  talking to Moy is like talking to a 14-year old girl, I think only Nuge is qualified to challenge the point.
Cmon man...I keep everything legal...and robusk is just as much of a kidtoucher as I am
size of the **** threw ya off, huh.  How were you supposed to know she was 12
7/27/2010 2:12 PM
Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 2:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 1:59:00 PM (view original):
I've never won fewer than 71 games with a team other than the MLB/erff rebuild.  Just to clarify, outside of trying to fix a broken organization, I do think 60 wins seems like a reasonable floor.  I just think rebuilds/fixerups taken over from someone else's mess can't fairly be held to the same standard as everyone else in a league, which is the basis for most/all of my earlier arguments against.
Don't buy it.  Maybe HR was the best use of your JD after all.
What's not to buy though.  If any anti-tanking system is implemented, doesn't it just make sense to incorporate a little more leniency for those we're able to rope into taking over toasted franchises?  What's the argument against, just that the standard would be lenient enough in your eyes that there's no need to make allowances for such people?
7/27/2010 2:12 PM
Posted by moy23 on 7/27/2010 1:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by r0b0t on 7/27/2010 11:09:00 AM (view original):
Posted by robusk on 7/27/2010 11:05:00 AM (view original):
b0t and Cheez clearly know what they are talking about.

+ = A good play; one which an average defender wouldn't have made

- = A bad play; one which an average defender would have made

It's different from errors, because errors can be charged liberally. The +/- places direct notation on the number of positive or negative defensive plays someone makes.

A SS can get charged for an error when your 1B with no range can't make the stretch to get a throw. And the fact is that errors are much more random than + or - plays.

Isn't +/- a judgement call to? What makes an average player?

Even if the 1b gets the error and it was really the ss fault its still one team error.

My question was how do you rank team defense in the standing. +/- seems like more of an individual stat than a team stat just like in hockey.
1. It isn't a judgment call because the simulation is specially telling you who is making an exceptionally bad or good play. An average player is to HBD as you are to posting in Shtickless. Gin gets a + for his posts. Alcheez gets -.

2. The 1B never gets the error unless they mishandle the ball, and even then it's sometimes attributed to the throw. If your SS makes an acrobatic play and can get the ball towards first base in time, but your DH masquerading at 1B can't extend to get it, that error goes to your SS.

3. It can be considered a team stat when you see the cumulative good and bad plays that a team makes. A good defense makes a lot of plays that would otherwise be hits.
7/27/2010 2:14 PM
Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 1:17:00 PM (view original):
How the **** do you work with money all day with math like that?
They usually just suspect him of robbery when it's usually just incompetence.
7/27/2010 2:15 PM
Enough...this isn't some fly by night league looking to make a name.  We don't have a ***** like murph in charge.  If we can't police ourselves without setting a bunch of arbitrary limits then we don't deserve the success we think we've had as a collective.
7/27/2010 2:15 PM
Posted by tisi29 on 7/27/2010 2:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dherz_263 on 7/27/2010 2:01:00 PM (view original):
I nominate TM to be in charge of the $ tank task force
Perfect.  That way nothing will ever get done and Nuge and his crew will be happy.
I think the 3 or 5 most accomplished experts should do a review each season, then announce which teams are "tanking" to a degree they find unacceptable. 

Then we can do nothing.
7/27/2010 2:16 PM
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