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moy23

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I thought the Leonard deal was toast when I accidentally posted my TC response to Nellie of which I was supposed to post to robusk (which was a direct quote of nellie's right back to him).

7/28/2010 10:50 PM

moy23

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Posted by AlCheez on 7/28/2010 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 7/28/2010 10:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 7/28/2010 10:43:00 PM (view original):
The one difference is that due to the free agency update, Leonard will be harder to make a career Slore.
yeah that will be tough. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Tanner Miller looks like a lower durabilty equivalent of Octavio Valenzuela - http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2624748 He also has health issues too though, so you'll probably have to be more careful about keeping him from playing tired.

thanks - fo sho. I will sub him at 98 with Santiago ( batted .341 with 400+ abs last season) as aften as he needs. damn - I hope Tanner puts up those #s.

7/28/2010 10:53 PM

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Posted by tylermathias on 7/28/2010 10:54:00 PM (view original):

General & Fielding Ratings

Event Season Height Weight OV RA GL AS AA PC DU HE SP PA TP MK

Current - 6-0 182 66 78 58 72 64 11 72 52 98 60 70 97

Projected - 6-1 186 82 80 77 81 92 18 80 57 99 62 67 99

Spring Training 16 6-0 178 55 72 50 68 55 9 61 50 97 54 70 95

Spring Training 17 6-0 182 66 78 58 72 64 11 72 52 98 60 70 97

Batting & Pitching Ratings

Event Season CN PW LH RH BE BR BU PP ST CT LH RH VE GB P1 P2 P3 P4 P5

Current - 46 57 67 52 45 67 38 37 25 3 6 6 9 21 54 0 0 0 0

Projected - 61 63 87 64 51 92 51 42 26 7 6 8 11 30 61 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 16 41 52 57 43 40 59 33 35 23 3 6 6 9 20 53 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 17 46 57 67 52 45 67 38 37 25 3 6 6 9 21 54 0 0 0 0

Thoughts on this guy's potential ceiling?

What side does he bat from?

General & Fielding Ratings
Event	Season	Height	Weight	OV	RA	GL	AS	AA	PC	DU	HE	SP	PA	TP	MK
Current	-	6-0	182	66	78	58	72	64	11	72	52	98	60	70	97
Projected	-	6-1	186	82	80	77	81	92	18	80	57	99	62	67	99
Spring Training	16	6-0	178	55	72	50	68	55	9	61	50	97	54	70	95
Spring Training	17	6-0	182	66	78	58	72	64	11	72	52	98	60	70	97

Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event	Season	CN	PW	LH	RH	BE	BR	BU	PP	ST	CT	LH	RH	VE	GB	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5
Current	-	46	57	67	52	45	67	38	37	25	3	6	6	9	21	54	0	0	0	0
Projected	-	61	63	87	64	51	92	51	42	26	7	6	8	11	30	61	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	16	41	52	57	43	40	59	33	35	23	3	6	6	9	20	53	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	17	46	57	67	52	45	67	38	37	25	3	6	6	9	21	54	0	0	0	0

7/28/2010 10:55 PM

moy23

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robusk	7/28/2010 10:44 AM	That sounds like TM talk.
moy23	7/28/2010 10:40 AM	quote - "Very nice....tough, tough decision. I'm 60-40 on taking it."
robusk	7/28/2010 10:36 AM	I think you typically overestimate the likelihood of people wanting the deals you are offering.
moy23	7/28/2010 10:34 AM	My TP on the table is in favor 60/40 of him accepting it after I just upped the ante this morning.

Nellie	7/28/2010 11:12 AM	No problem...
moy23	7/28/2010 10:40 AM	ignore that nellie - sorry. I'm trying to work a deal to follow this one up to fill my gaping hole at lead off hitter - dude was wondering where my existing deal is at in talks.
moy23	7/28/2010 10:38 AM	quote - "Very nice....tough, tough decision. I'm 60-40 on taking it."
Nellie	7/28/2010 10:22 AM	Very nice....tough, tough decision. I'm 60-40 on taking it.
moy23	7/28/2010 9:20 AM	I just upped the ante. take a look.

7/28/2010 10:56 PM

moy23

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definitely a d'oh moment to follow up me replying to robusk after rlahann offer the TP

7/28/2010 10:58 PM

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Posted by moy23 on 7/28/2010 10:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 7/28/2010 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 7/28/2010 10:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 7/28/2010 10:43:00 PM (view original):
The one difference is that due to the free agency update, Leonard will be harder to make a career Slore.
yeah that will be tough. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Tanner Miller looks like a lower durabilty equivalent of Octavio Valenzuela - http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2624748 He also has health issues too though, so you'll probably have to be more careful about keeping him from playing tired.
thanks - fo sho. I will sub him at 98 with Santiago ( batted .341 with 400+ abs last season) as aften as he needs. damn - I hope Tanner puts up those #s.

Should be very similar if you account for the fact that he'll play fewer games, and thus likely have fewer HRs, RBIs, etc. I have Valenzuela set to auto-rest at 98 as well, though I've taken that off down the stretch the last two seasons while we were in close races. I've not had an AL team, so I don't know if Miller being a DH as opposed to a 1B helps much in terms of his fatigue.

7/28/2010 10:59 PM

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Posted by robusk on 7/28/2010 10:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tylermathias on 7/28/2010 10:54:00 PM (view original):

General & Fielding Ratings

Event Season Height Weight OV RA GL AS AA PC DU HE SP PA TP MK

Current - 6-0 182 66 78 58 72 64 11 72 52 98 60 70 97

Projected - 6-1 186 82 80 77 81 92 18 80 57 99 62 67 99

Spring Training 16 6-0 178 55 72 50 68 55 9 61 50 97 54 70 95

Spring Training 17 6-0 182 66 78 58 72 64 11 72 52 98 60 70 97

Batting & Pitching Ratings

Event Season CN PW LH RH BE BR BU PP ST CT LH RH VE GB P1 P2 P3 P4 P5

Current - 46 57 67 52 45 67 38 37 25 3 6 6 9 21 54 0 0 0 0

Projected - 61 63 87 64 51 92 51 42 26 7 6 8 11 30 61 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 16 41 52 57 43 40 59 33 35 23 3 6 6 9 20 53 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 17 46 57 67 52 45 67 38 37 25 3 6 6 9 21 54 0 0 0 0

Thoughts on this guy's potential ceiling?
What side does he bat from?

General & Fielding Ratings
Event	Season	Height	Weight	OV	RA	GL	AS	AA	PC	DU	HE	SP	PA	TP	MK
Current	-	6-0	182	66	78	58	72	64	11	72	52	98	60	70	97
Projected	-	6-1	186	82	80	77	81	92	18	80	57	99	62	67	99
Spring Training	16	6-0	178	55	72	50	68	55	9	61	50	97	54	70	95
Spring Training	17	6-0	182	66	78	58	72	64	11	72	52	98	60	70	97

Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event	Season	CN	PW	LH	RH	BE	BR	BU	PP	ST	CT	LH	RH	VE	GB	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5
Current	-	46	57	67	52	45	67	38	37	25	3	6	6	9	21	54	0	0	0	0
Projected	-	61	63	87	64	51	92	51	42	26	7	6	8	11	30	61	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	16	41	52	57	43	40	59	33	35	23	3	6	6	9	20	53	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	17	46	57	67	52	45	67	38	37	25	3	6	6	9	21	54	0	0	0	0

Bats and throws right.

7/28/2010 10:59 PM

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Posted by AlCheez on 7/28/2010 10:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 7/28/2010 10:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 7/28/2010 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 7/28/2010 10:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 7/28/2010 10:43:00 PM (view original):
The one difference is that due to the free agency update, Leonard will be harder to make a career Slore.
yeah that will be tough. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Tanner Miller looks like a lower durabilty equivalent of Octavio Valenzuela - http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2624748 He also has health issues too though, so you'll probably have to be more careful about keeping him from playing tired.
thanks - fo sho. I will sub him at 98 with Santiago ( batted .341 with 400+ abs last season) as aften as he needs. damn - I hope Tanner puts up those #s.
Should be very similar if you account for the fact that he'll play fewer games, and thus likely have fewer HRs, RBIs, etc. I have Valenzuela set to auto-rest at 98 as well, though I've taken that off down the stretch the last two seasons while we were in close races. I've not had an AL team, so I don't know if Miller being a DH as opposed to a 1B helps much in terms of his fatigue.

Probably worth about 50 AB per season from what I have seen.

7/28/2010 11:03 PM

moy23

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Posted by tylermathias on 7/28/2010 10:54:00 PM (view original):

General & Fielding Ratings

Event Season Height Weight OV RA GL AS AA PC DU HE SP PA TP MK

Current - 6-0 182 66 78 58 72 64 11 72 52 98 60 70 97

Projected - 6-1 186 82 80 77 81 92 18 80 57 99 62 67 99

Spring Training 16 6-0 178 55 72 50 68 55 9 61 50 97 54 70 95

Spring Training 17 6-0 182 66 78 58 72 64 11 72 52 98 60 70 97

Batting & Pitching Ratings

Event Season CN PW LH RH BE BR BU PP ST CT LH RH VE GB P1 P2 P3 P4 P5

Current - 46 57 67 52 45 67 38 37 25 3 6 6 9 21 54 0 0 0 0

Projected - 61 63 87 64 51 92 51 42 26 7 6 8 11 30 61 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 16 41 52 57 43 40 59 33 35 23 3 6 6 9 20 53 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 17 46 57 67 52 45 67 38 37 25 3 6 6 9 21 54 0 0 0 0

Thoughts on this guy's potential ceiling?

General & Fielding Ratings
Event	Season	Height	Weight	OV	RA	GL	AS	AA	PC	DU	HE	SP	PA	TP	MK
Current	-	6-0	182	66	78	58	72	64	11	72	52	98	60	70	97
Projected	-	6-1	186	82	80	77	81	92	18	80	57	99	62	67	99
Spring Training	16	6-0	178	55	72	50	68	55	9	61	50	97	54	70	95
Spring Training	17	6-0	182	66	78	58	72	64	11	72	52	98	60	70	97

Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event	Season	CN	PW	LH	RH	BE	BR	BU	PP	ST	CT	LH	RH	VE	GB	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5
Current	-	46	57	67	52	45	67	38	37	25	3	6	6	9	21	54	0	0	0	0
Projected	-	61	63	87	64	51	92	51	42	26	7	6	8	11	30	61	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	16	41	52	57	43	40	59	33	35	23	3	6	6	9	20	53	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	17	46	57	67	52	45	67	38	37	25	3	6	6	9	21	54	0	0	0	0

that glove has a long way to go. might not make SS but he'd be great elsewhere and fantastic in the OF if thats where you need him.

I'm not sure with that BE he'd be a great lead off hitter but would excel in the 7-9 spots.

I like the guy a lot. Solid fielder obvi. Probably an inconsistent hitter ranging from .260 - .300 avg in any given season but his base-running skills are better than pretty much anyone. I'm concerned about his BE at leadoff - thats why I say not a great #1 hitter in the line-up

7/28/2010 11:04 PM

moy23

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Posted by AlCheez on 7/28/2010 10:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 7/28/2010 10:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 7/28/2010 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 7/28/2010 10:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 7/28/2010 10:43:00 PM (view original):
The one difference is that due to the free agency update, Leonard will be harder to make a career Slore.
yeah that will be tough. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Tanner Miller looks like a lower durabilty equivalent of Octavio Valenzuela - http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2624748 He also has health issues too though, so you'll probably have to be more careful about keeping him from playing tired.
thanks - fo sho. I will sub him at 98 with Santiago ( batted .341 with 400+ abs last season) as aften as he needs. damn - I hope Tanner puts up those #s.
Should be very similar if you account for the fact that he'll play fewer games, and thus likely have fewer HRs, RBIs, etc. I have Valenzuela set to auto-rest at 98 as well, though I've taken that off down the stretch the last two seasons while we were in close races. I've not had an AL team, so I don't know if Miller being a DH as opposed to a 1B helps much in terms of his fatigue.

my guess it will help only that he gets a few more games automatically off. i don't know if HBD even accounts for fielders fielding.

7/28/2010 11:05 PM

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Posted by tylermathias on 7/28/2010 10:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by robusk on 7/28/2010 10:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tylermathias on 7/28/2010 10:54:00 PM (view original):

General & Fielding Ratings

Event Season Height Weight OV RA GL AS AA PC DU HE SP PA TP MK

Current - 6-0 182 66 78 58 72 64 11 72 52 98 60 70 97

Projected - 6-1 186 82 80 77 81 92 18 80 57 99 62 67 99

Spring Training 16 6-0 178 55 72 50 68 55 9 61 50 97 54 70 95

Spring Training 17 6-0 182 66 78 58 72 64 11 72 52 98 60 70 97

Batting & Pitching Ratings

Event Season CN PW LH RH BE BR BU PP ST CT LH RH VE GB P1 P2 P3 P4 P5

Current - 46 57 67 52 45 67 38 37 25 3 6 6 9 21 54 0 0 0 0

Projected - 61 63 87 64 51 92 51 42 26 7 6 8 11 30 61 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 16 41 52 57 43 40 59 33 35 23 3 6 6 9 20 53 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 17 46 57 67 52 45 67 38 37 25 3 6 6 9 21 54 0 0 0 0

Thoughts on this guy's potential ceiling?
What side does he bat from?
Bats and throws right.

.280/.330/.450 with 30/12 SB while playing GG 3B or shoddy SS.

General & Fielding Ratings
Event	Season	Height	Weight	OV	RA	GL	AS	AA	PC	DU	HE	SP	PA	TP	MK
Current	-	6-0	182	66	78	58	72	64	11	72	52	98	60	70	97
Projected	-	6-1	186	82	80	77	81	92	18	80	57	99	62	67	99
Spring Training	16	6-0	178	55	72	50	68	55	9	61	50	97	54	70	95
Spring Training	17	6-0	182	66	78	58	72	64	11	72	52	98	60	70	97

Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event	Season	CN	PW	LH	RH	BE	BR	BU	PP	ST	CT	LH	RH	VE	GB	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5
Current	-	46	57	67	52	45	67	38	37	25	3	6	6	9	21	54	0	0	0	0
Projected	-	61	63	87	64	51	92	51	42	26	7	6	8	11	30	61	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	16	41	52	57	43	40	59	33	35	23	3	6	6	9	20	53	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	17	46	57	67	52	45	67	38	37	25	3	6	6	9	21	54	0	0	0	0

7/28/2010 11:05 PM

moy23

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and I'm getting drunk TM - thus I just repeated the BE thing in the same response. nice work moy. pat on back.

7/28/2010 11:06 PM

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Posted by tylermathias on 7/28/2010 9:44:00 PM (view original):
I figure SHoFers will constitute the top 8 in a day or two. After that, some challenges await you thumbstrategerizers.

We'll get 15 past the dead guy within a month.

7/28/2010 11:08 PM

tylermathias

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Been projecting him as my 3B of the future, if I don't trade him in my neverending quest for an ace.

7/28/2010 11:09 PM

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Posted by tylermathias on 7/28/2010 9:51:00 PM (view original):
Doc owns.

I'ma quote you on that.

7/28/2010 11:10 PM

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