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Posted by r0b0t on 8/2/2010 10:14:00 PM (view original):
Thoughts on this trade?

27 year old Catcher (3 yrs/$7.5m)

General & Fielding Ratings

Event Season Height Weight OV RA GL AS AA PC DU HE SP PA TP MK

Current - 6-1 181 84 11 33 82 69 57 98 80 56 75 31 83

Projected - 6-1 181 84 11 33 82 69 57 98 80 56 75 31 83

Spring Training 10 6-1 175 57 11 24 71 44 38 70 77 56 60 31 78

Spring Training 11 6-1 175 68 11 27 76 52 45 82 79 56 67 31 81

Spring Training 12 6-1 176 75 11 30 79 60 51 89 80 56 71 31 82

Spring Training 13 6-1 178 80 11 31 81 65 55 93 80 56 73 31 83

Spring Training 14 6-1 178 82 11 33 82 67 55 95 80 56 74 31 83

Spring Training 15 6-1 178 82 11 33 82 68 56 96 80 56 75 31 83

Spring Training 16 6-1 181 83 11 33 82 69 57 97 80 56 75 31 83

Spring Training 17 6-1 181 83 11 33 82 69 57 98 80 56 75 31 83

Spring Training 18 6-1 181 84 11 33 82 69 57 98 80 56 75 31 83

Batting & Pitching Ratings

Event Season CN PW LH RH BE BR BU PP ST CT LH RH VE GB P1 P2 P3 P4 P5

Current - 96 55 68 45 99 67 48 59 33 1 0 0 0 24 61 0 0 0 0

Projected - 96 55 68 45 99 67 48 59 33 1 0 0 0 24 61 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 10 65 47 45 32 76 44 29 55 28 1 0 0 0 23 57 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 11 77 51 54 38 84 52 36 55 30 1 0 0 0 23 58 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 12 86 53 61 43 91 59 42 57 32 1 0 0 0 23 59 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 13 91 54 66 44 96 64 45 57 33 1 0 0 0 23 60 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 14 94 55 67 44 98 65 47 59 33 1 0 0 0 23 61 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 15 95 55 67 44 98 65 48 59 33 1 0 0 0 23 61 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 16 96 55 67 44 98 66 48 59 33 1 0 0 0 23 61 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 17 96 55 68 44 98 67 48 59 33 1 0 0 0 24 61 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 18 96 55 68 45 99 67 48 59 33 1 0 0 0 24 61 0 0 0 0

23 year old throw in, but he wears cool shades:

General & Fielding Ratings

Event Season Height Weight OV RA GL AS AA PC DU HE SP PA TP MK

Current - 6-1 194 64 65 59 68 65 17 77 80 52 58 47 48

Projected - 6-1 199 70 68 68 69 74 18 82 80 52 61 46 48

Spring Training 14 6-1 185 51 59 55 62 58 16 57 74 52 47 47 46

Spring Training 15 6-1 192 58 62 55 65 58 16 66 77 52 52 47 47

Spring Training 16 6-1 192 62 64 57 67 62 16 72 78 52 55 47 48

Spring Training 17 6-1 194 64 65 60 68 64 17 75 79 52 57 47 48

Spring Training 18 6-1 194 64 65 59 68 65 17 77 80 52 58 47 48

Batting & Pitching Ratings

Event Season CN PW LH RH BE BR BU PP ST CT LH RH VE GB P1 P2 P3 P4 P5

Current - 33 97 46 53 48 30 26 55 17 12 0 0 4 30 65 0 0 0 0

Projected - 36 99 51 57 53 34 31 58 19 18 0 1 4 38 75 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 14 28 88 39 45 47 26 22 50 14 13 0 0 4 31 65 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 15 32 92 44 51 47 29 24 53 15 13 0 0 4 31 66 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 16 33 94 46 54 48 30 26 54 16 13 0 0 4 31 67 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 17 33 96 46 54 48 31 26 55 17 13 0 0 4 31 68 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 18 33 97 46 53 48 30 26 55 17 12 0 0 4 30 65 0 0 0 0

FOR

31 year old 3B (4 years at $6.9 mil apiece)

General & Fielding Ratings

Event Season Height Weight OV RA GL AS AA PC DU HE SP PA TP MK

Current - 6-0 173 81 72 73 76 76 16 79 61 86 76 59 85

Projected - 6-0 173 81 72 73 76 76 16 79 61 86 76 59 85

Spring Training 10 6-0 173 70 64 57 71 62 14 79 59 88 67 56 83

Spring Training 11 6-0 173 74 67 61 73 66 14 79 60 87 71 58 84

Spring Training 12 6-0 173 79 70 68 75 72 14 81 62 87 74 59 85

Spring Training 13 6-0 173 81 71 73 76 77 15 81 62 87 75 59 85

Spring Training 14 6-0 173 82 72 73 77 77 16 81 62 87 76 59 85

Spring Training 15 6-0 173 82 72 73 77 77 16 81 62 87 76 59 85

Spring Training 16 6-0 173 82 72 73 77 77 16 81 62 86 76 59 85

Spring Training 17 6-0 173 81 72 73 76 76 16 79 61 86 76 59 85

Spring Training 18 6-0 173 81 72 73 76 76 16 79 61 86 76 59 85

Batting & Pitching Ratings

Event Season CN PW LH RH BE BR BU PP ST CT LH RH VE GB P1 P2 P3 P4 P5

Current - 81 73 64 61 63 74 46 39 14 12 1 1 10 16 49 0 0 0 0

Projected - 81 73 64 61 63 74 46 39 14 12 1 1 10 16 49 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 10 62 68 50 48 55 56 38 37 13 11 1 1 10 16 46 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 11 67 73 54 52 59 60 42 37 13 11 1 1 10 16 47 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 12 74 76 60 58 60 67 45 39 14 11 1 1 10 16 48 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 13 78 77 62 60 62 72 45 39 14 12 1 1 10 16 49 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 14 80 77 64 60 63 73 46 39 14 12 1 1 10 16 49 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 15 81 77 64 60 63 74 46 39 14 12 1 1 10 16 50 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 16 81 77 64 61 63 74 46 39 14 12 1 1 10 16 50 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 17 81 74 64 61 63 74 46 39 14 12 1 1 10 16 49 0 0 0 0

Spring Training 18 81 73 64 61 63 74 46 39 14 12 1 1 10 16 49 0 0 0 0

and a 23 year old pitching prospect currently in AAA

General & Fielding Ratings

Event Season Height Weight OV RA GL AS AA PC DU HE SP PA TP MK

Current - 6-3 204 75 35 12 76 45 1 30 67 53 90 38 73

Projected - 6-3 208 79 37 20 76 67 1 30 67 55 92 38 73

Spring Training 14 6-2 187 58 31 12 67 40 1 27 63 53 74 38 68

Spring Training 15 6-2 192 64 33 12 71 40 1 29 65 53 82 38 71

Spring Training 16 6-2 199 70 34 12 74 41 1 30 67 53 87 38 72

Spring Training 17 6-3 202 73 35 12 75 44 1 30 67 53 89 38 73

Spring Training 18 6-3 204 75 35 12 76 45 1 30 67 53 90 38 73

Batting & Pitching Ratings

Event Season CN PW LH RH BE BR BU PP ST CT LH RH VE GB P1 P2 P3 P4 P5

Current - 24 0 25 22 24 24 83 57 77 85 55 65 83 80 79 84 46 55 0

Projected - 24 0 28 24 25 28 86 61 77 93 60 70 85 83 84 87 51 57 0

Spring Training 14 16 0 17 16 21 18 55 56 65 65 42 51 72 70 67 68 36 44 0

Spring Training 15 19 0 21 19 23 21 64 56 71 72 45 55 77 74 70 72 39 47 0

Spring Training 16 22 0 24 21 24 24 75 57 75 79 51 61 80 79 75 78 44 52 0

Spring Training 17 23 0 25 21 24 24 80 57 76 82 54 64 82 80 78 81 46 54 0

Spring Training 18 24 0 25 22 24 24 83 57 77 85 55 65 83 80 79 84 46 55 0

Rape in favor of team 2. That catcher is pretty mediocre.

General & Fielding Ratings
Event	Season	Height	Weight	OV	RA	GL	AS	AA	PC	DU	HE	SP	PA	TP	MK
Current	-	6-1	181	84	11	33	82	69	57	98	80	56	75	31	83
Projected	-	6-1	181	84	11	33	82	69	57	98	80	56	75	31	83
Spring Training	10	6-1	175	57	11	24	71	44	38	70	77	56	60	31	78
Spring Training	11	6-1	175	68	11	27	76	52	45	82	79	56	67	31	81
Spring Training	12	6-1	176	75	11	30	79	60	51	89	80	56	71	31	82
Spring Training	13	6-1	178	80	11	31	81	65	55	93	80	56	73	31	83
Spring Training	14	6-1	178	82	11	33	82	67	55	95	80	56	74	31	83
Spring Training	15	6-1	178	82	11	33	82	68	56	96	80	56	75	31	83
Spring Training	16	6-1	181	83	11	33	82	69	57	97	80	56	75	31	83
Spring Training	17	6-1	181	83	11	33	82	69	57	98	80	56	75	31	83
Spring Training	18	6-1	181	84	11	33	82	69	57	98	80	56	75	31	83

Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event	Season	CN	PW	LH	RH	BE	BR	BU	PP	ST	CT	LH	RH	VE	GB	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5
Current	-	96	55	68	45	99	67	48	59	33	1	0	0	0	24	61	0	0	0	0
Projected	-	96	55	68	45	99	67	48	59	33	1	0	0	0	24	61	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	10	65	47	45	32	76	44	29	55	28	1	0	0	0	23	57	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	11	77	51	54	38	84	52	36	55	30	1	0	0	0	23	58	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	12	86	53	61	43	91	59	42	57	32	1	0	0	0	23	59	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	13	91	54	66	44	96	64	45	57	33	1	0	0	0	23	60	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	14	94	55	67	44	98	65	47	59	33	1	0	0	0	23	61	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	15	95	55	67	44	98	65	48	59	33	1	0	0	0	23	61	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	16	96	55	67	44	98	66	48	59	33	1	0	0	0	23	61	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	17	96	55	68	44	98	67	48	59	33	1	0	0	0	24	61	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	18	96	55	68	45	99	67	48	59	33	1	0	0	0	24	61	0	0	0	0

General & Fielding Ratings
Event	Season	Height	Weight	OV	RA	GL	AS	AA	PC	DU	HE	SP	PA	TP	MK
Current	-	6-1	194	64	65	59	68	65	17	77	80	52	58	47	48
Projected	-	6-1	199	70	68	68	69	74	18	82	80	52	61	46	48
Spring Training	14	6-1	185	51	59	55	62	58	16	57	74	52	47	47	46
Spring Training	15	6-1	192	58	62	55	65	58	16	66	77	52	52	47	47
Spring Training	16	6-1	192	62	64	57	67	62	16	72	78	52	55	47	48
Spring Training	17	6-1	194	64	65	60	68	64	17	75	79	52	57	47	48
Spring Training	18	6-1	194	64	65	59	68	65	17	77	80	52	58	47	48

Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event	Season	CN	PW	LH	RH	BE	BR	BU	PP	ST	CT	LH	RH	VE	GB	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5
Current	-	33	97	46	53	48	30	26	55	17	12	0	0	4	30	65	0	0	0	0
Projected	-	36	99	51	57	53	34	31	58	19	18	0	1	4	38	75	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	14	28	88	39	45	47	26	22	50	14	13	0	0	4	31	65	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	15	32	92	44	51	47	29	24	53	15	13	0	0	4	31	66	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	16	33	94	46	54	48	30	26	54	16	13	0	0	4	31	67	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	17	33	96	46	54	48	31	26	55	17	13	0	0	4	31	68	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	18	33	97	46	53	48	30	26	55	17	12	0	0	4	30	65	0	0	0	0

General & Fielding Ratings
Event	Season	Height	Weight	OV	RA	GL	AS	AA	PC	DU	HE	SP	PA	TP	MK
Current	-	6-0	173	81	72	73	76	76	16	79	61	86	76	59	85
Projected	-	6-0	173	81	72	73	76	76	16	79	61	86	76	59	85
Spring Training	10	6-0	173	70	64	57	71	62	14	79	59	88	67	56	83
Spring Training	11	6-0	173	74	67	61	73	66	14	79	60	87	71	58	84
Spring Training	12	6-0	173	79	70	68	75	72	14	81	62	87	74	59	85
Spring Training	13	6-0	173	81	71	73	76	77	15	81	62	87	75	59	85
Spring Training	14	6-0	173	82	72	73	77	77	16	81	62	87	76	59	85
Spring Training	15	6-0	173	82	72	73	77	77	16	81	62	87	76	59	85
Spring Training	16	6-0	173	82	72	73	77	77	16	81	62	86	76	59	85
Spring Training	17	6-0	173	81	72	73	76	76	16	79	61	86	76	59	85
Spring Training	18	6-0	173	81	72	73	76	76	16	79	61	86	76	59	85

Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event	Season	CN	PW	LH	RH	BE	BR	BU	PP	ST	CT	LH	RH	VE	GB	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5
Current	-	81	73	64	61	63	74	46	39	14	12	1	1	10	16	49	0	0	0	0
Projected	-	81	73	64	61	63	74	46	39	14	12	1	1	10	16	49	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	10	62	68	50	48	55	56	38	37	13	11	1	1	10	16	46	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	11	67	73	54	52	59	60	42	37	13	11	1	1	10	16	47	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	12	74	76	60	58	60	67	45	39	14	11	1	1	10	16	48	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	13	78	77	62	60	62	72	45	39	14	12	1	1	10	16	49	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	14	80	77	64	60	63	73	46	39	14	12	1	1	10	16	49	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	15	81	77	64	60	63	74	46	39	14	12	1	1	10	16	50	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	16	81	77	64	61	63	74	46	39	14	12	1	1	10	16	50	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	17	81	74	64	61	63	74	46	39	14	12	1	1	10	16	49	0	0	0	0
Spring Training	18	81	73	64	61	63	74	46	39	14	12	1	1	10	16	49	0	0	0	0

General & Fielding Ratings
Event	Season	Height	Weight	OV	RA	GL	AS	AA	PC	DU	HE	SP	PA	TP	MK
Current	-	6-3	204	75	35	12	76	45	1	30	67	53	90	38	73
Projected	-	6-3	208	79	37	20	76	67	1	30	67	55	92	38	73
Spring Training	14	6-2	187	58	31	12	67	40	1	27	63	53	74	38	68
Spring Training	15	6-2	192	64	33	12	71	40	1	29	65	53	82	38	71
Spring Training	16	6-2	199	70	34	12	74	41	1	30	67	53	87	38	72
Spring Training	17	6-3	202	73	35	12	75	44	1	30	67	53	89	38	73
Spring Training	18	6-3	204	75	35	12	76	45	1	30	67	53	90	38	73

Batting & Pitching Ratings
Event	Season	CN	PW	LH	RH	BE	BR	BU	PP	ST	CT	LH	RH	VE	GB	P1	P2	P3	P4	P5
Current	-	24	0	25	22	24	24	83	57	77	85	55	65	83	80	79	84	46	55	0
Projected	-	24	0	28	24	25	28	86	61	77	93	60	70	85	83	84	87	51	57	0
Spring Training	14	16	0	17	16	21	18	55	56	65	65	42	51	72	70	67	68	36	44	0
Spring Training	15	19	0	21	19	23	21	64	56	71	72	45	55	77	74	70	72	39	47	0
Spring Training	16	22	0	24	21	24	24	75	57	75	79	51	61	80	79	75	78	44	52	0
Spring Training	17	23	0	25	21	24	24	80	57	76	82	54	64	82	80	78	81	46	54	0
Spring Training	18	24	0	25	22	24	24	83	57	77	85	55	65	83	80	79	84	46	55	0

8/3/2010 9:41 AM

moy23

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the team giving up the catcher is the winner in that deal

8/3/2010 9:43 AM

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Posted by bret2775 on 8/3/2010 9:34:00 AM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 8/3/2010 9:30:00 AM (view original):
A bret moment for moy should be when he has an epiphany - like when he realized that high DUR allows pitchers to pitch more often. That was a bret moment for him.
I feel offended by that...hell even I knew what DUR meant for a pitcher....my problem is my team lacks players that have decent Velocity, P1-P5, GB/FB, & vR/vL. other than that, my staff rocks.

Why do you need good VEL?

8/3/2010 9:44 AM

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I can't be bothered to evaluate trades when the players entire ratings history are copied into a post, instead of the current and projected ratings. In light of that, just assume robusk is on the right track, but probably exaggerating

8/3/2010 9:45 AM

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Posted by robusk on 8/3/2010 9:44:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bret2775 on 8/3/2010 9:34:00 AM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 8/3/2010 9:30:00 AM (view original):
A bret moment for moy should be when he has an epiphany - like when he realized that high DUR allows pitchers to pitch more often. That was a bret moment for him.
I feel offended by that...hell even I knew what DUR meant for a pitcher....my problem is my team lacks players that have decent Velocity, P1-P5, GB/FB, & vR/vL. other than that, my staff rocks.
Why do you need good VEL?

so his poor (or in moy's opinion, excellent) fielders have fewer chances to mess up

8/3/2010 9:46 AM

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Posted by robusk on 8/3/2010 9:44:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bret2775 on 8/3/2010 9:34:00 AM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 8/3/2010 9:30:00 AM (view original):
A bret moment for moy should be when he has an epiphany - like when he realized that high DUR allows pitchers to pitch more often. That was a bret moment for him.
I feel offended by that...hell even I knew what DUR meant for a pitcher....my problem is my team lacks players that have decent Velocity, P1-P5, GB/FB, & vR/vL. other than that, my staff rocks.
Why do you need good VEL?

because it goes great with the garlic mashed potatoes I made.

8/3/2010 9:49 AM

tisi29

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Depends on other circumstances, but the team getting the C might be the winner. The C can play 162 games, and will put up ok numbers just due to contact and eye combo. And the 3B given up is overpaid for an extra year past the C's contract.

8/3/2010 9:50 AM

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Posted by AlCheez on 8/3/2010 9:13:00 AM (view original):
Howard looking more like he's heading to the DL.

Why is TM always right?

Yeah, they were both jumping to optimistic conclusions before the swelling could have even gone down. If an MRI doesn't show any major damage, then maybe he won't have to be DL'd, but that's pretty unlikely as violently as he rolled it. But hey, at least it's not a Carlos Santana situation.

8/3/2010 9:50 AM

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Posted by tylermathias on 8/3/2010 9:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 8/3/2010 9:13:00 AM (view original):
Howard looking more like he's heading to the DL.

Why is TM always right?
Yeah, they were both jumping to optimistic conclusions before the swelling could have even gone down. If an MRI doesn't show any major damage, then maybe he won't have to be DL'd, but that's pretty unlikely as violently as he rolled it. But hey, at least it's not a Carlos Santana situation.

I blame TM.

8/3/2010 9:51 AM

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Posted by dherz_263 on 8/3/2010 9:45:00 AM (view original):
I can't be bothered to evaluate trades when the players entire ratings history are copied into a post, instead of the current and projected ratings. In light of that, just assume robusk is on the right track, but probably exaggerating

My sentimonies exactly.

8/3/2010 9:53 AM

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Posted by AlCheez on 8/3/2010 9:13:00 AM (view original):
Howard looking more like he's heading to the DL.

Why is TM always right?

He's not...that's just the way things look sometimes when you're in love.

8/3/2010 10:06 AM

AlCheez

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Heh.

8/3/2010 10:10 AM

larry_jew

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this is a delicious cup of coffee. Don't **** it up.

8/3/2010 10:13 AM

tylermathias

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Bot, give us the access to change our team names for FCF. I'm working on some good possibilities.

8/3/2010 10:15 AM

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Posted by AlCheez on 8/3/2010 9:13:00 AM (view original):
Howard looking more like he's heading to the DL.

Why is TM always right?

it is because he almost wrote a book, by siriusly thinking about doing that he opened his mind

8/3/2010 10:18 AM

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