On the other hand, if political discourse were more like this, I think just about everyone would pay a lot more attention.

ahhh - the old Columbus Dispatch - brings back fond memories . . . . .

Posted by antonsirius on 8/9/2010 4:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wrmiller13 on 8/9/2010 4:19:00 PM (view original):
As I said above:

For the record - I do not really care how much of their own money the Obamas or the Clintons spend on their leaisure.  But when it comes to our tax dollars being spent, we should all care.

My frustration is far more directed at the corporate media, who are ******* away a public trust wasting air time and column inches on things like this, than it is at you or anybody else here. Everything we post on this board falls more or less in the "time wasting" category.

There is more coverage of this now, but is the percentage different? Rememebr all 3 networks covering the 1st lady doing a white house tour in 1960? All networks!

There are 5 major 24 hour news networks now. Do you really believe the truth is not getting out. Is there any issue that has not been covered in the extreme?

The problem is the networks refuse to just state the facts and leave it there. They will add words, or related news, of no significance to try to influence how the viewer feels about the facts. All news is just an editorial opinion now. None of the networks just report the news. 

On another note, Macon mayor Robert Reichert(D) was on the radio yesterday morning. He stated that Tea Party protestors just wanted spending cut and reasonable equity for their tax dollars. That pretty close, and a good observation by the mayor. Maybe the Democrats are starting to understand what Tea Party protestors want as we close in on November. I wish I could get a Democrat in my district to campaign on large spending cuts and a repeal of Obamacare. We have some Republicans wanting Tea Party votes. Would be nice to see some Democrats become enlightened and join in on the Tea Party protest.

 

Posted by wrmiller13 on 8/9/2010 9:34:00 PM (view original):
ahhh - the old Columbus Dispatch - brings back fond memories . . . . .

You used to live here?

Posted by genghisxcon on 8/11/2010 6:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wrmiller13 on 8/9/2010 9:34:00 PM (view original):
ahhh - the old Columbus Dispatch - brings back fond memories . . . . .

You used to live here?

Yup - Buckeye born and bred.  Grw up in Upper Arlington (mostly).

Posted by mykids_31206 on 8/11/2010 1:59:00 PM (view original):
The problem is the networks refuse to just state the facts and leave it there. They will add words, or related news, of no significance to try to influence how the viewer feels about the facts. All news is just an editorial opinion now. None of the networks just report the news. 

On another note, Macon mayor Robert Reichert(D) was on the radio yesterday morning. He stated that Tea Party protestors just wanted spending cut and reasonable equity for their tax dollars. That pretty close, and a good observation by the mayor. Maybe the Democrats are starting to understand what Tea Party protestors want as we close in on November. I wish I could get a Democrat in my district to campaign on large spending cuts and a repeal of Obamacare. We have some Republicans wanting Tea Party votes. Would be nice to see some Democrats become enlightened and join in on the Tea Party protest.

 

Why would democrats do that? It is the exact opposite of their party platform.

Strong Central Government and Government control of private sector business!

Apparently, the bond markets don't give a damn about the deficit.

Well what do you know. The left created a way to push for greater deficits.

Bond markets do want more stimulus now. It is how they are going to make more money. That does not mean it is good for America as a whole.

The left wants more government and less private. Always have, And they will cling to anyone who helps them acheive this.

Lets really stimulate. Take however many billions and tell any corporation if they raise the amount of employees over 1 year ago we will pay for half their wages. Assuming $40000 jobs we could put 5 million people to work for $100 billion dollars.

Of course the left doesnt want to actually put people to work. They want to control their lives and push their left wing agendas, like the 1st stimulus disaster.

Or better yet, all the salary for 10 million workers, $400 billion. lower than any stimulus plan i have heard of!

Posted by mykids_31206 on 8/11/2010 1:59:00 PM:
On another note, Macon mayor Robert Reichert(D) was on the radio yesterday morning. He stated that Tea Party protestors just wanted spending cut and reasonable equity for their tax dollars. That pretty close, and a good observation by the mayor.

Define "reasonable equity for your tax dollars". It's a great sounding phrase, but what's it supposed to mean?

Posted by swamphawk22 on 8/12/2010 4:02:00 PM (view original):
Or better yet, all the salary for 10 million workers, $400 billion. lower than any stimulus plan i have heard of!

That's a pretty bad plan swamp. 

Let's assume your best case scenario, where the 'stimulus' money is used to pay 100% of the salary for the newly created jobs.  These positions would still create an additional cost burden on the company from the perspective of management overhead, HR time, insurance claims, etc...and this cost burden would not be offset by selling any additional wares.  The only way that creating these positions benefits the company creating the jobs is if the market exists to sell the product or service that the company sells.  If that market existed already, then the companies would be lining up to hire the folks already in order to increase their capacity...no stimulus required. 

I believe that fact of the matter is this:  America has been shouldering far too much of the 'burden' of being the consumption arm of the world economy over the past few decades.  We did this as a result of our almost insatiable need to "keep up with the Joneses" and financed it through credit cards and other lines of credit that were not actually justified in terms of our ability to pay for the products we bought over the long term.  Now that these unsupportable credit markets have collapsed, so has our ability to be the primary engine of global demand.  As a result no one is making as much as they used to.  It is a natural correction for a dramatic inefficiency in the economy, even if it is painful. 

Putting government money into arcane plans to artificially inflate employement numbers is treating a symptom not the root cause. 

If you are a believer in this trickle-down economic theory why not just give the stimulus money to the unemployed directly so that there are no associated overhead costs for the firm that would create the jobs?  That way these people could continue to buy things, companies will need to hire more people to keep up with demand and ultimately everyone benefits, right?  Sounds a lot like current unemployement and social security programs to me.

So much for the idea of full disclosure and transparency?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Obama-closes-curtain-on-transparency-468557-100595914.html

Meat curtains?