Tea Party 4-18-11 Topic

I don't know that I would go so far as to say that the Dept of Education should be abolished, but we do need to, as a nation, take a serious look at the way we approach education.  Look at the redundencies (sp?) built into the system:

- We have a national Dept (arguably unconstitutional b/c of the 10th Amendment, but I digress) that uses vast amounts of money to get states to do its bidding
- We then have 50 separate state departments that then try to decipher and interpret the message from the Feds and determine how best to put it into practice in their state
- We then have 1000s of local school districts (Ohio has over 600 by itself) that take the message from the states and the Feds, and try to manipulate it and decipher it and interpret it and figure out what it really means for them.  Because you know you cannot expect the same things from a Ragin Cajun in New Orleans as you would from a good ole boy from Montana . . . . .

And all of this is done before we even get close to where the "rubber hits the road" and teachers are interacting with students.

There is so much fraud and waste and manipulation and distortion of messages from different groups.

8/30/2010 11:32 AM
Coming to swamps rescue?
8/30/2010 11:57 AM
Why would I do that?

I am just speaking my mind on a single issue that I feel at least minimally qualified.

Do you care to rebut anything I stated?  Then we can discuss

Or resorting to typical barbs and insults?  I will resume ignoring you
8/30/2010 12:14 PM
Or do you think the educational system as it is in this country is just fine and dandy, no changes needed?
8/30/2010 12:14 PM
Not at all! A lot of changes are required and I think people like you who are involved with the system stand the best chance of finding a solution. I was looking forward to swamp really addressing something rather then run and hide as usual.

There is no doubt that our current system is not doing a very good job educating our kids. What I see from the right is more concern with cutting costs and saving money then finding solutions. You are the educator, what steps would you take?
8/30/2010 12:46 PM
Honestly?

First step would be to amend the constitution, put education in the national government, make it consistent across all 50 states, do away with the state systems, do away with / merge most of the smaller local systems, really establish a rigorous national curriculum, extend the school year to about 220 - 240 days in school.

Bring back vocational education as a part of traditional public schools.  Not everyone is cut out for college / university, nor do they all want to go.  So why do force a collegiate preparation curriculum on them?  This is not to say offer a dumbed down curriculum.  Everyone still needs to learn how think critically, and evaluate different sources and types of materials, but not all are going to go on to college.

That is a start in the right direction, IMO
8/30/2010 1:05 PM
I'd add dismantling the burgeoning security state in our schools to that list. No more strip searches, remote spying on students through their webcams etc.
8/30/2010 1:38 PM
Except for the Amendment part, I bet you see the rest in the next ten-fifteen years.
8/30/2010 1:38 PM
Posted by antonsirius on 8/30/2010 1:38:00 PM (view original):
I'd add dismantling the burgeoning security state in our schools to that list. No more strip searches, remote spying on students through their webcams etc.
whoa, whoa, whoa, REACTIONARY!  The webcam spying stays.  Have you no respect for the subtleties of the profession?
8/30/2010 1:39 PM
Posted by rlahann on 8/30/2010 1:38:00 PM (view original):
Except for the Amendment part, I bet you see the rest in the next ten-fifteen years.
I think you almost have to do the amendment part in order to make it stick.

8/30/2010 1:43 PM
Posted by wrmiller13 on 8/30/2010 1:05:00 PM (view original):
Honestly?

First step would be to amend the constitution, put education in the national government, make it consistent across all 50 states, do away with the state systems, do away with / merge most of the smaller local systems, really establish a rigorous national curriculum, extend the school year to about 220 - 240 days in school.

Bring back vocational education as a part of traditional public schools.  Not everyone is cut out for college / university, nor do they all want to go.  So why do force a collegiate preparation curriculum on them?  This is not to say offer a dumbed down curriculum.  Everyone still needs to learn how think critically, and evaluate different sources and types of materials, but not all are going to go on to college.

That is a start in the right direction, IMO
I agree with everything you say. I might go one step further and that would be to extend the school year to closer to 300 days. Vocational education is probably more important now then it was one or two generations ago.
8/30/2010 2:04 PM
Ran across this on another site:





School systems across the country have been misleading students and parents into thinking they are ready for college, the Secretary of Education said Sunday.

Arne Duncan told ABC's Christiane Amanpour that the Obama administration's Race to the Top program had reversed the trend of schools lowering standards.

"What we've done through Race to the Top is you're seeing the vast majority of states, almost 40 states raise standards for every single child," said Duncan.

"As a country we're dumbing down standards and reduced them due to political pressure and we've actually been lying to children and parents telling them they're ready when they're not," he explained.

Duncan said rewarding teacher excellence is part of the way that students will meet the new standards.

"There is no simple answer here. All of these things working together but, yes, we have to shine a spotlight on excellence. We have hundreds of thousands of teachers who are beating the odds every single day performing miracles. We have extraordinary schools closing the achievement gaps, great districts, great states. We have to learn from excellence. Answers are all out there," he said.

8/30/2010 2:09 PM
How could you go 300 days?  Add some Saturdays?
8/30/2010 2:32 PM
Posted by wrmiller13 on 8/30/2010 1:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rlahann on 8/30/2010 1:38:00 PM (view original):
Except for the Amendment part, I bet you see the rest in the next ten-fifteen years.
I think you almost have to do the amendment part in order to make it stick.

Nah....the feds took control of education way back in the day...it would have to be a complete reversal of funding to change their power.  Utah and Nebraska have threatened to turn down ESEA money...but they were never really all that close.  Hell, look at the way states did every song and dance possible for a chance of RTT money. 

Congrats to Ohio, btw.
8/30/2010 2:54 PM
Posted by rlahann on 8/30/2010 1:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by antonsirius on 8/30/2010 1:38:00 PM (view original):
I'd add dismantling the burgeoning security state in our schools to that list. No more strip searches, remote spying on students through their webcams etc.
whoa, whoa, whoa, REACTIONARY!  The webcam spying stays.  Have you no respect for the subtleties of the profession?
OK, webcam spying stays only if the girl is hot, and American Pie-style wacky hijinx ensue.
8/30/2010 3:25 PM
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