Posted by swamphawk22 on 9/20/2010 3:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 9/20/2010 3:36:00 PM (view original):
Interesting thought - that opening up the floodgates for corporate campaign spending, which might/will result in the public discourse being dominated by rich white men, is more in keeping with the original intentions of the Founding Fathers than the more egalitarian one person/one vote system that's developed over the years...

Again does being able to say what you want 12 times instead of 9 actually make people vote for you?

Yes.  I guarantee that if you run the numbers there is a strong, positive correlation between spending and victories.

Spending has usually been in a specific range. You find very few cases on a national level of one side spending way more than the other. It is hard to do a Chicken and egg theory.

Obama spent more than McCain and won. Would you say he bought the election, or that he raised more because he was more popular?

Posted by rlahann on 9/21/2010 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 9/20/2010 3:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 9/20/2010 3:36:00 PM (view original):
Interesting thought - that opening up the floodgates for corporate campaign spending, which might/will result in the public discourse being dominated by rich white men, is more in keeping with the original intentions of the Founding Fathers than the more egalitarian one person/one vote system that's developed over the years...

Again does being able to say what you want 12 times instead of 9 actually make people vote for you?

Yes.  I guarantee that if you run the numbers there is a strong, positive correlation between spending and victories.

Perot's an interesting test case. He spent about $70 million -- about equal to what Clinton and Bush were limited to spending -- to get 19% of the vote, starting completely from scratch (i.e. no party spending to supplement his own campaign spending, no state and local-level organization to reinforce that spending etc.)

So what conclusions can we draw from Perot.

1 Seems like he was popular in the first place
2 The daughters wedding thing.
3 I heard he spent more.

In the end he did well but didnt win for reasons that seem to have less to do with financing.

Stewart made an interesting comment, that was intended to insult Republicans, but in the end summed up the Tea Party in a great way.

After a lot of backround stuff he asked what is the Difference between the Tea Party and every Republican platform for the last 30 years, lower taxes, less government...etc.

His response was "Oh, you guys are actually going to do all this $h!t"!

Posted by mykids_31206 on 9/20/2010 10:26:00 PM (view original):
Honestly RL. Would it ever be possible to ever know if the Palin selection was genious or idiotic? I have never in my life seen so much critique of a candidates, daughter, husband, and leisure activities. During the campaign I heard everyday people saying things like she killed her first husband, put billions of Alaskans money in her bank account, shot her son-in law, and on and on. They couldnt have gotten that off the news, but where do people get stuff like that?...Its so funny and sad at the same time.

I don't know where you live, but I never heard any of those things.  They're right up there with President Obama is a muslim that was born in Kenya.

Well truthfully did you ever hear anyone directly say that Obama is a Kenyan? You were sent something on the internet.

Posted by antonsirius on 9/21/2010 2:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mykids_31206 on 9/20/2010 10:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 9/19/2010 11:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mykids_31206 on 9/19/2010 10:54:00 PM (view original):
The Tea Party supporters are helping new candidates beat the old guard Republicans. They are winning many races even though they have much less financial support. So there goes the "its all about the money" theory.

We need more bankrupt people like O'Donnell. The wealthy Ivy league grads have shown over and over that they are just in it for power and more corruption. Give me the bankrupt, the common, the people off the street any day. They are more like me. They are the new patriots that can save this country.

The media has been hitting the Tea Party with everything they got. People obviously dont take the media serious at all. Bout time.

O'Donnell is not common people, m-k. She's certainly not rank and file GOP, but her views are pretty far out there.

Idont know what you call "far out dere", but sounds better than "far back dere".

Your probably the alter ego of the Republicans that say Obama fooled the people. Now all these Republicans and Democrats are saying these new Republicans are fooling the people. Obama won because America wanted him, Obviiously many Americans have done their homework and want the O'Donnell's and the Paul's and we will see in November if most Americans want them. I know I do. I am tired of the elite Ivy league Republicans and Democrats and there "progressive" ideologies that smash hopes and dreams. The Republican Party is being hijacked and I think Americans are going to ask to hitch a ride.

I call an anti-masturbation, pro-ratting out Anne Frank to the Nazis mindset "far out there".

Were you the guy who said Obama wasnt a citizen of the United States? Sounds like that same garbage to me.

Posted by The Taint on 9/22/2010 1:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mykids_31206 on 9/20/2010 10:26:00 PM (view original):
Honestly RL. Would it ever be possible to ever know if the Palin selection was genious or idiotic? I have never in my life seen so much critique of a candidates, daughter, husband, and leisure activities. During the campaign I heard everyday people saying things like she killed her first husband, put billions of Alaskans money in her bank account, shot her son-in law, and on and on. They couldnt have gotten that off the news, but where do people get stuff like that?...Its so funny and sad at the same time.

I don't know where you live, but I never heard any of those things.  They're right up there with President Obama is a muslim that was born in Kenya.

I live in a racially diverse neighborhood. I had a McCain/Palin yard sign. It started some conversations with some of the black people in my community. Some of them said those things about Sarah Palin. They actually believed they were true. I guess it was just word of mouth on the street? I thought it was really strange. Sometimes I wondered if they were just making them up because she was a big part of Obama's opposition.

O.DONNELL + THE QUITTER ARE WINGNUTS

Posted by mykids_31206 on 9/22/2010 8:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 9/21/2010 2:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mykids_31206 on 9/20/2010 10:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 9/19/2010 11:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mykids_31206 on 9/19/2010 10:54:00 PM (view original):
The Tea Party supporters are helping new candidates beat the old guard Republicans. They are winning many races even though they have much less financial support. So there goes the "its all about the money" theory.

We need more bankrupt people like O'Donnell. The wealthy Ivy league grads have shown over and over that they are just in it for power and more corruption. Give me the bankrupt, the common, the people off the street any day. They are more like me. They are the new patriots that can save this country.

The media has been hitting the Tea Party with everything they got. People obviously dont take the media serious at all. Bout time.

O'Donnell is not common people, m-k. She's certainly not rank and file GOP, but her views are pretty far out there.

Idont know what you call "far out dere", but sounds better than "far back dere".

Your probably the alter ego of the Republicans that say Obama fooled the people. Now all these Republicans and Democrats are saying these new Republicans are fooling the people. Obama won because America wanted him, Obviiously many Americans have done their homework and want the O'Donnell's and the Paul's and we will see in November if most Americans want them. I know I do. I am tired of the elite Ivy league Republicans and Democrats and there "progressive" ideologies that smash hopes and dreams. The Republican Party is being hijacked and I think Americans are going to ask to hitch a ride.

I call an anti-masturbation, pro-ratting out Anne Frank to the Nazis mindset "far out there".

Were you the guy who said Obama wasnt a citizen of the United States? Sounds like that same garbage to me.

That's because you seem to be in denial. As soon as someone gets labeled a 'Tea Party candidate' you blind yourself to their faults.

I can provide you with the video clips of O'Donnell saying those things if you need them. The second one is admittedly spin (the more accurate description would be to say she's anti-lying, even if a lie would save Anne Frank from the Nazis) but it still destroys her as a viable political candidate -- and as far as I'm concerned, makes her an unethical coward who would rather just follow someone else's rules than make tough choices on her own.

Posted by mykids_31206 on 9/22/2010 8:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 9/22/2010 1:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mykids_31206 on 9/20/2010 10:26:00 PM (view original):
Honestly RL. Would it ever be possible to ever know if the Palin selection was genious or idiotic? I have never in my life seen so much critique of a candidates, daughter, husband, and leisure activities. During the campaign I heard everyday people saying things like she killed her first husband, put billions of Alaskans money in her bank account, shot her son-in law, and on and on. They couldnt have gotten that off the news, but where do people get stuff like that?...Its so funny and sad at the same time.

I don't know where you live, but I never heard any of those things.  They're right up there with President Obama is a muslim that was born in Kenya.

I live in a racially diverse neighborhood. I had a McCain/Palin yard sign. It started some conversations with some of the black people in my community. Some of them said those things about Sarah Palin. They actually believed they were true. I guess it was just word of mouth on the street? I thought it was really strange. Sometimes I wondered if they were just making them up because she was a big part of Obama's opposition.

I've never heard any of that stuff either -- and more to the point, a Goggle search turns up nothing. At least one of them doesn't even make sense, since Palin's only ever had the one husband.

I find it very hard to believe that these anti-Palin rumors existed only on your street, and never got mentioned once online -- either to push them or to rebut them.

So what if those specific attacks were just local. You know that Palin got trashed in a way that no politician has ever been trashed.