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jpccr
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it would be great if you could sift the amateur draft prospect pool like you can free agents, as in ...

let me look at available pitchers with a control above 50 and stamina above 70 ...

this could help people as they rank their players ....
6/22/2010 3:08 PM
toddcommish
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Ummm, you can copy and paste your entire draft board into Excel and sort it within 2 minutes.
6/22/2010 4:28 PM
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The thing I dislike about the draft is that everyone doesn't see the top prospects.  It doesn't matter how much your high school and college draft budgets are, you still know who the top draft picks are going to be.  The internet knows who they are so you should know who they are.  The 3rd round and lower, maybe even the 2nd round, I can understand a drop off with a lower budget, but not the 1st round.  if a player is 75 or better everyone should know about him.  This would not be true about IFA due to a higher budget and more scouts. 
6/22/2010 4:44 PM
toddcommish
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Since the draft only typically has 2-3 rounds of major league talent, what would even be the point of having HS/College scouting then?  You could spend ZERO and still see the top 50-60 picks.

6/22/2010 4:46 PM
rbjb
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the supplimental draft usually takes up 10-15 players so the 1st round would actually be 42-47 players.  That is why I said possibly the 2nd rd.  Tell me what team wouldn't know about an 80 or higher guy.  The news would be full of stories on this guy.  I am all for the top 25 players.  It just is stupid that 1 guy can scout an 80 rated player and another team can't see him because he wasn't scouted.  He would be scouted by every team.
6/22/2010 5:07 PM
jpccr
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Posted by toddcommish on 6/22/2010 4:28:00 PM (view original):
Ummm, you can copy and paste your entire draft board into Excel and sort it within 2 minutes.
so i need to use excel with this? i get it, but it shouldnt have to be that way
6/22/2010 8:46 PM
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Posted by rbjb on 6/22/2010 5:07:00 PM (view original):
the supplimental draft usually takes up 10-15 players so the 1st round would actually be 42-47 players.  That is why I said possibly the 2nd rd.  Tell me what team wouldn't know about an 80 or higher guy.  The news would be full of stories on this guy.  I am all for the top 25 players.  It just is stupid that 1 guy can scout an 80 rated player and another team can't see him because he wasn't scouted.  He would be scouted by every team.
Not necessarily.

I remember reading several articles earlier this month before the draft that indicated some teams with high picks would definitely not be selecting certain players in the first round because they hadn't scouted them. Obviously, they had heard of these players and knew something about them, but they chose not to scout them for whatever reason. HBD simply hides some of the prospects to mimic this reality (and enhance the value of higher scouting budgets).
6/23/2010 7:29 AM
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I think all players should be 'seen' for the draft. The amount of cash you spend in scouting would determine the accuracy of the projections.
6/28/2010 8:52 AM
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Posted by ronazbill on 6/28/2010 8:52:00 AM (view original):
I think all players should be 'seen' for the draft. The amount of cash you spend in scouting would determine the accuracy of the projections.
I can spend $20m on college scouting and $0m on high school scouting. You can spend $0m on college scouting and $20m on high school scouting. We decide to share our scouting reports. We both now have the complete benefit of $40m of scouting for only $20m.

That's why you should NOT be able to see all players for the draft.
6/28/2010 10:55 AM
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I decide I want to build a team around pitching in a pitchers park. You decide you want to build a team based on a hitters park. I send all my good hitters to you in return for all your good pitchers. So should trading be stopped?

I understand what you're saying tec, but in today's world most teams have at least some knowledge on at least the top X players.  To keep that out of the game because 2 guys might cheat is unrealistic to me.
6/29/2010 6:13 AM
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Makes no sense at all that any team doesn't know about the top 100 or so players.  Objection I've seen is there would be no reason to spend $$ on scouting.  Bull.  The amount you spend on scouting determines how accurate your ratings.  You're going to know about the top players; if you skimp on scouting, you could have the #1 prospect rated 10th and the #21 prospect rated 3rd, and so forth.
7/3/2010 8:18 PM
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Posted by cespencer on 7/3/2010 8:18:00 PM (view original):
Makes no sense at all that any team doesn't know about the top 100 or so players.  Objection I've seen is there would be no reason to spend $$ on scouting.  Bull.  The amount you spend on scouting determines how accurate your ratings.  You're going to know about the top players; if you skimp on scouting, you could have the #1 prospect rated 10th and the #21 prospect rated 3rd, and so forth.
the objection is that there are no busts in HBD, so at least there is some other factor going on besides "the top 50 players will be the best players in the draft unequivocally, and they will all develop to their potential as long as you coach them and promote them, barring injuries"

there have been many threads on the topic..i'm sure you can find one
7/6/2010 11:38 AM
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If they really want to change the draft so that everyone sees all players then they need to change the model of how the players reach their potential. Maybe something like a factor that tells you how likely they are to meet exceed or miss their projections. So one player might be 10% to exceed, 60 % to meet and 30% to bust. Another player might be 50% to exceed, 10% to meet and 40% to bust. So you'd have players that would be safer versus those that are high risk high reward.
7/9/2010 10:40 AM
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Posted by rbjb on 6/22/2010 4:44:00 PM (view original):
The thing I dislike about the draft is that everyone doesn't see the top prospects.  It doesn't matter how much your high school and college draft budgets are, you still know who the top draft picks are going to be.  The internet knows who they are so you should know who they are.  The 3rd round and lower, maybe even the 2nd round, I can understand a drop off with a lower budget, but not the 1st round.  if a player is 75 or better everyone should know about him.  This would not be true about IFA due to a higher budget and more scouts. 
This is on the top of my list too!

7/10/2010 8:55 PM
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Posted by eclipse33 on 7/10/2010 8:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rbjb on 6/22/2010 4:44:00 PM (view original):
The thing I dislike about the draft is that everyone doesn't see the top prospects.  It doesn't matter how much your high school and college draft budgets are, you still know who the top draft picks are going to be.  The internet knows who they are so you should know who they are.  The 3rd round and lower, maybe even the 2nd round, I can understand a drop off with a lower budget, but not the 1st round.  if a player is 75 or better everyone should know about him.  This would not be true about IFA due to a higher budget and more scouts. 
This is on the top of my list too!

If we could see all players at 75 or better, I (and many other owners) would gladly drop amateur scouting to 0. Plus, it makes collusion easier and much more tempting, as noted earlier in this thread.

Any "top-25" or "top-50" cutoff would also just help the better teams much more. If I'm drafting 28th and I know I can see the top-25, I'll just set scouting to 0 and ranked based off current ratings, which isn't that far off what I do now anyway. I might get the 38th-best player instead of the 28th-best, but it won't be that bad of a loss and I'll take the extra 20M for a max free agent.

7/10/2010 9:03 PM (edited)
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