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Sometimes the only way a guy will take on a contract is if the salary is reduced by recieving cash.  Just because I have $17m available doesn't mean I'm going to pay $12m for a mediocre player who I percieve to only be worth $7m.  But, if I recieve $5m in cash, for a net of $7m, I may be interested.

I don't understand what the big deal is.  If one owner is willing to give the cash then he probably has a good reason for it.
9/13/2010 1:18 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/2/2010 1:10:00 PM (view original):
To your first point: if somebody is willing to be the giver of money in order to get something back . . . he's not playing in a vacuum.  If owner 1 gives owner 2 an extra $5m of cash, then he probably should take into consideration the fact that while he may benefit by getting something in return (lets say, a prospect), that owners 3 through 32 are now all at a bit of a disadvantage because they are now playing with a smaller budget than player 2.

To your last point . . .if "you screwed up budgeting or spending", then isn't that all on you?

I know . . . it's the same old argument.
I look at it as: Owner 1 go the prospect.  Owner 2 got the money.  And owners 3-32 should only be upset that they didn't have the savvy to pull off such a deal to gain either the prospect, OR the money.
9/13/2010 1:21 PM
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Owner 1 - $190M cap.
Owners 3-32 - $185M cap.

Savvy my ***. It's not cash, it's inflating your cap, and any world worth it's salt would veto it as fast as they possibly could.
9/13/2010 1:27 PM
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Posted by jimmystick on 9/13/2010 1:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/2/2010 1:10:00 PM (view original):
To your first point: if somebody is willing to be the giver of money in order to get something back . . . he's not playing in a vacuum.  If owner 1 gives owner 2 an extra $5m of cash, then he probably should take into consideration the fact that while he may benefit by getting something in return (lets say, a prospect), that owners 3 through 32 are now all at a bit of a disadvantage because they are now playing with a smaller budget than player 2.

To your last point . . .if "you screwed up budgeting or spending", then isn't that all on you?

I know . . . it's the same old argument.
I look at it as: Owner 1 go the prospect.  Owner 2 got the money.  And owners 3-32 should only be upset that they didn't have the savvy to pull off such a deal to gain either the prospect, OR the money.
Uh, no.  That argument is pretty much the same as the one that the guy who likes to traderape n00bs uses in 'tard worlds to justify themselves: "Hey, if I didn't do it, somebody else would have!".  It's little more than a horseshit rationalization.
9/13/2010 1:32 PM
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Posted by jimmystick on 9/13/2010 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Sometimes the only way a guy will take on a contract is if the salary is reduced by recieving cash.  Just because I have $17m available doesn't mean I'm going to pay $12m for a mediocre player who I percieve to only be worth $7m.  But, if I recieve $5m in cash, for a net of $7m, I may be interested.

I don't understand what the big deal is.  If one owner is willing to give the cash then he probably has a good reason for it.
Sure.  He wants to help his buddy win.  It's called "collusion".
9/13/2010 1:50 PM
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Posted by AlCheez on 9/2/2010 2:16:00 PM (view original):
I'd be fine with not allowing player "sales" during free agency (of course, I'd be fine with that in general), but I don't think you can outlaw cash in trades in general - it would suck to have to wait until after FA to be able to make a contract you were trying to get off your books more tradable by paying part of the player's salary.
I agree with this.

It's a novel idea tec, but not universally applicable.  It's the sort of thing that an individual world may want to adapt, but not HBD as a whole.

9/13/2010 7:58 PM
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collusion?  Come on.  I don't help anybody win.  Nothing wrong with cash in trades.  It's the only way certain players would ever be traded.  Sometimes guys are worth the money at the time, then suffer an injury or go into early decline unexpectedly.  If you're a guy who doesn't like cash in trades period... then fine.  You're an idiot, but idiots are entitled to their opinions too. 

What's the difference between cash during FA period and cash at the All Star break?  
9/14/2010 10:06 PM
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"What's the difference between cash during FA period and cash at the All Star break?"

Seriously?

9/14/2010 10:08 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/14/2010 10:08:00 PM (view original):

"What's the difference between cash during FA period and cash at the All Star break?"

Seriously?

The end result is the same.  A higher budget.  

I can give you $5 now, or I can give it to you in 3 weeks.  What's different?

I've been involved in cash/trades many times.  Ive been on both sides of the coin.  i've had guys I desperately want to dump and the only way I can get rid of them is if I pay their salary.  And I've wanted to take on guys when I've had salary space available but wasn't willing to commit ALL of it to the player.  NONE of my cash trades were COLLUSIVE.  Cash in trades is part of the game.  It's part of real life.  I have absolutely no idea what the big deal is.  

I think vetoing a cash trade on the basis of cash is ridiculous.  You're welcomed to do it, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to call you stupid.
9/14/2010 10:17 PM
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"What's the difference between cash during FA period and cash at the All Star break?"

The difference is that during the FA period, unsigned impact free agents are available.  The extra cash that is being sent to another team may allow them to sign an impact player they may not otherwise have been able to sign.  Which could, in turn, change the balance of power within the world.  I'm not sure why any of the other 30 owners would want to be a party to that. 

If that concept is too hard for you to understand, then maybe you shouldn't be throwing the words "idiot" and "stupid" around so freely.
9/15/2010 9:28 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't salaries pro-rated?   Wouldn't that be a difference in cash deals?

Anwyay, I'm not sure this guy, 771-849 (0.476), should call anyone an idiot or stupid when it comes to HBD.
9/15/2010 9:45 AM
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Posted by deathinahole on 9/13/2010 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Owner 1 - $190M cap.
Owners 3-32 - $185M cap.

Savvy my ***. It's not cash, it's inflating your cap, and any world worth it's salt would veto it as fast as they possibly could.
For the mathematically challenged, this scenario holds true at any point in the season.
9/15/2010 1:31 PM
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Of course DIAH would get involved... I say throwing in $50k in a player-for-player deal to cover a Rule V pick is OK, trading $5mil for a crappy catcher straight up isn't.
9/15/2010 7:02 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/15/2010 9:28:00 AM (view original):
"What's the difference between cash during FA period and cash at the All Star break?"

The difference is that during the FA period, unsigned impact free agents are available.  The extra cash that is being sent to another team may allow them to sign an impact player they may not otherwise have been able to sign.  Which could, in turn, change the balance of power within the world.  I'm not sure why any of the other 30 owners would want to be a party to that. 

If that concept is too hard for you to understand, then maybe you shouldn't be throwing the words "idiot" and "stupid" around so freely.
SO WHAT???

Doing it in the middle of the season may give somebody an "unfair" advantage in signing a key IFA, by freeing up $5m in player which they can transfer over to prospect. 

I think there are those who don't like cash in trades and those who don't mind it.  The timing of the trade (during FA period or at the All Star break) is not the issue.  The issue is, do you accept cash in trades in general.

9/15/2010 9:42 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/15/2010 9:45:00 AM (view original):
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't salaries pro-rated?   Wouldn't that be a difference in cash deals?

Anwyay, I'm not sure this guy, 771-849 (0.476), should call anyone an idiot or stupid when it comes to HBD.
Leave it to you to be so myopic.  I hate arguing with you in the forums... I don't know why I ever got started this time.
9/15/2010 9:46 PM
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