Zero power rating never hitting a ITPHR Topic

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Player development issue?   Maybe the 0 power guys could have been 1-3 power guys if developed properly.    I imagine that they are virtually zero 100 power guys.
9/28/2010 11:23 AM
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Really.
You believe that a lack of development = dudes that randomly cannot luck into one home run in their whole life?
9/28/2010 11:30 AM
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Gaylord Perry hit one home run. Gaylord f'n Perry.
9/28/2010 11:31 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 11:23:00 AM (view original):
Player development issue?   Maybe the 0 power guys could have been 1-3 power guys if developed properly.    I imagine that they are virtually zero 100 power guys.
Possibly, but only partially so.  I'm seeing probably at least half of the guys who are under 27 projecting to zero power.  All bets are off with the 27+ y/o's because we don't know what their projections were.

Gut feeling says that there's too many zero power guys for a normal distribution of an extreme rating.
9/28/2010 11:34 AM
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Posted by deathinahole on 9/28/2010 11:31:00 AM (view original):
Gaylord Perry hit one home run. Gaylord f'n Perry.
I believe that was in his first MLB AB.
9/28/2010 11:35 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2010 11:34:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 11:23:00 AM (view original):
Player development issue?   Maybe the 0 power guys could have been 1-3 power guys if developed properly.    I imagine that they are virtually zero 100 power guys.
Possibly, but only partially so.  I'm seeing probably at least half of the guys who are under 27 projecting to zero power.  All bets are off with the 27+ y/o's because we don't know what their projections were.

Gut feeling says that there's too many zero power guys for a normal distribution of an extreme rating.
OK, signing problem?   Tons of players go undrafted/unsigned.   Maybe too many 0 power guys are getting contracts.   Draft and sign some 2 power guys.
9/28/2010 11:36 AM
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No.

He stated that they'd land a man on the moon before he'd hit a HR. He hit his home run the night of the Apollo landing.

True story.
9/28/2010 11:37 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2010 11:34:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 11:23:00 AM (view original):
Player development issue?   Maybe the 0 power guys could have been 1-3 power guys if developed properly.    I imagine that they are virtually zero 100 power guys.
Possibly, but only partially so.  I'm seeing probably at least half of the guys who are under 27 projecting to zero power.  All bets are off with the 27+ y/o's because we don't know what their projections were.

Gut feeling says that there's too many zero power guys for a normal distribution of an extreme rating.
OK, signing problem?   Tons of players go undrafted/unsigned.   Maybe too many 0 power guys are getting contracts.   Draft and sign some 2 power guys.
But vice versa, if all other attributes are a ok, why pass him up if he's slotted low?

Really, we're fighting over 1 HR every 2500 AB. Whoopy doo. But the distibution of the amount of these players offend my senses, the same way an influx of 70 HR guys would.
9/28/2010 11:39 AM
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Posted by deathinahole on 9/28/2010 11:31:00 AM (view original):
Gaylord Perry hit one home run. Gaylord f'n Perry.
My bad. He hit 6HR. The Apollo landing was his first.

GAYLORD PERRY HIT 6! He's a 4 power for sure.
9/28/2010 11:42 AM
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I'm only trying to explain the problem tec sees with 3% of HBD being populated with 0 power guys.   All the players who are on teams in Coop do not represent all the players who were created in Coop.
9/28/2010 11:44 AM
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So, you're saying he's an idiot? Ok, I agree.
9/28/2010 11:45 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 11:44:00 AM (view original):
I'm only trying to explain the problem tec sees with 3% of HBD being populated with 0 power guys.   All the players who are on teams in Coop do not represent all the players who were created in Coop.
That is a true statement.  My question though is do zero power guys exist in real life (in the sense that zero power = zero HR)?  Has there ever been anyone who has never hit a HR?  The answer is no - everyone who has been given enough chances in real life eventually hit a HR.  

This is slightly different though than what I brought up earlier - are 99 speed/baserunning 0 power guys hitting inside-the-park HR?  If they aren't, potentially valuable ML players are not performing like they should be.  CS says that it is possible and I say it isn't.  
9/28/2010 11:52 AM
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Posted by deathinahole on 9/28/2010 11:37:00 AM (view original):
No.

He stated that they'd land a man on the moon before he'd hit a HR. He hit his home run the night of the Apollo landing.

True story.
I stand corrected.

Is it Hoyt Wilhelm that I'm thinking of?
9/28/2010 11:59 AM
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Posted by bigal888 on 9/28/2010 11:54:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 11:44:00 AM (view original):
I'm only trying to explain the problem tec sees with 3% of HBD being populated with 0 power guys.   All the players who are on teams in Coop do not represent all the players who were created in Coop.
That is a true statement.  My question though is do zero power guys exist in real life (in the sense that zero power = zero HR)?  Has there ever been anyone who has never hit a HR?  The answer is no - everyone who has been given enough chances in real life eventually hit a HR.  

This is slightly different though than what I brought up earlier - are 99 speed/baserunning 0 power guys hitting inside-the-park HR?  If they aren't, potentially valuable ML players are not performing like they should be.  CS says that it is possible and I say it isn't.  
I thought we agreed that 0 power guys just don't hit the ball with enough authority to get it to the wall.  And, if the ball doesn't make it to the wall, you cannot get an ITPHR.
9/28/2010 12:05 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2010 11:34:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 11:23:00 AM (view original):
Player development issue?   Maybe the 0 power guys could have been 1-3 power guys if developed properly.    I imagine that they are virtually zero 100 power guys.
Possibly, but only partially so.  I'm seeing probably at least half of the guys who are under 27 projecting to zero power.  All bets are off with the 27+ y/o's because we don't know what their projections were.

Gut feeling says that there's too many zero power guys for a normal distribution of an extreme rating.
OK, signing problem?   Tons of players go undrafted/unsigned.   Maybe too many 0 power guys are getting contracts.   Draft and sign some 2 power guys.
Beyond the first couple of rounds (maybe 7-10, max), you really have little to no influence over who you draft.  In the late rounds, you get the 0's with the 2's and 12's and such.

Plus, aren't you always advocating "sign your draftees"?  Am I not going to sign a warm body from the 23rd round to fill out my roster because he's a 0 and not a 2?
9/28/2010 12:10 PM (edited)
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