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Those 8 wins you're not getting at the ML level are going somewhere else.  Maybe a couple of those wins are going to a team that sneaks in and takes a playoff spot that they otherwise would not or should not have earned. 

Is your two freaking dollars for winning the AAA WS worth impacting the ML playoff races?  Is that good for HBD?  Or do you not care as long as you get your $2?

10/12/2010 1:24 PM
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I won the AAA WS in Coop last season.  I gave myself an Attaboy!    Worth way more than $2.
10/12/2010 1:28 PM
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Posted by boogerlips on 10/12/2010 1:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 10/12/2010 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Those 8 wins you're not getting at the ML level are going somewhere else.  Maybe a couple of those wins are going to a team that sneaks in and takes a playoff spot that they otherwise would not or should not have earned. 

Is your two freaking dollars for winning the AAA WS worth impacting the ML playoff races?  Is that good for HBD?  Or do you not care as long as you get your $2?

My point exactly.
What?  Your point was that you don't think people would do that, yet you're proposing WIS offers an incentive to do it.  I'm confused...
10/12/2010 1:44 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 10/12/2010 1:13:00 PM (view original):
Really?   The talent to make a 12 win difference in the BL isn't enough to sway the outcome of AAA games?   That's an odd stance to take.   I really don't think I can argue against your "point" because I damn sure didn't see it coming.

If it's "two freaking dollars", do you really think that's enough to encourage people to manage their minor league roster carefully?   Two dollars for 90 days worth of effort?   Sorry, I'd wipe my *** with two dollars before I'd let you force me to play a game for 90 days.
Here's your answer.
10/12/2010 1:52 PM
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Current scenario: owner decides that they will not have the talent to compete at the ML level this year; they tank and finish in last place in their division.  They get a $4 last place credit at the end of the season.

Your proposed scenario: owner decides that they will not have the talent to compete at the ML level this year; they tank and finish in last place in their division.  They also decide to pour a few million dollars into their minor league system.  They go on to win the AAA, AA, HiA and LoA WS.  They get a $3 last place ML credit at year end, plus $2 for the AAA WS, and $1 each for the AA, HiA and LoA WS.  For a total of $8 in credits at the end of the season.

It's been a long time since I went to school, but I seem to recall that $8 > $4.
10/12/2010 2:05 PM
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It's cool that you stand by your suggestion, but it's also okay for others to disagree.  I've offered up plenty of ideas that others felt were unnecessary.  What I've found is that the game is pretty good as it is, and 90% of the suggestions have good intent (and have probably been thought of), but have not been implemented because of unintended consequences (or side effects).

The fact is that the talent disparity between the majors and AAA (especially in established worlds) is pretty great.  Not bringing up a guy who can help my major league team (or sending down a guy who has cleared waivers that I'm not going to bring back next year) is nearing the line, or crossing the line depending on your view, of tanking.  Giving incentive to tank just isn't a good idea.  And it doesn't help that in your early HBD career you've already been kicked out of a world for tanking.
10/13/2010 7:38 AM
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even ignoring the "it promotes tanking" premise, I think it could still be bad for the HBD product due to it causing unintended player supply issues.

As an example, I've started a process where I take guys who are "topping out" at AAA (e.g. a 29 yr old AAAA-caliber who sat on the 40 for a while, is out of options, cleared waivers and is now off the 40), and send them to RL ball to take up space.  So I win plenty at the RL level by using AAA talent.

But the rub (and actually part of my plan) is that the guy retires at the end of the season since he got sent back to RL.  I think of it as my one-man attempt to thin out the player pool of guys I don't think have MLB talent.  But if everybody (well, even a dozen) did that, or even if owners held a guy who in LoA who could top out at AA if he got his promotions, the minor league talent pool could dry up.  And then people would complain or just punt minors and it would be a mess.

I suppose this could happen even without a monetary award for minors WS, but why add the incentive?
10/13/2010 9:21 AM
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Any suggestion that involves cash prizes as a performance reward for anything other than success at the major level is a bad idea.  The current 3rd and 4th place credits are bad enough.  This suggestion just makes a bad thing worse.
10/13/2010 10:20 AM
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