Minor League Rosters Topic

This idea is not fully thought out, but I thought I'd throw it out to get some input from other folks.  I'll admit that it is a "dumbing down the game" thing, but hopefully it doesn't dumb it down too much.  Read through the entire post before you react.

My suggestion: somewhere between the end of spring training and the start of the minor league season, have SIMMY generate players to fill out minor league rosters; from AAA down to LoA.  Guarantee that each level has at least 25 players (13 position players, 12 pitchers).  Guarantee that there are a minimum number of players for each role on a team (i.e. at least one position player for each position, 5 SP's, a couple of long RP's and a couple of short RP's).  This can also happen for the Rookie League level after the draft and shortly before the start of the RL season.  I'd also suggest that SIMMY autosign all draft picks beyond the 5th round who are asking for slot money.  Generated players would fill the gaps after all the draftees (including the autosigned round 5 and beyond slot guys) are signed and assigned to RL. 

All generated players would make the minimum salary for that level, and the salaries would come out of the franchises player payroll.  If payroll doesn't have enough money to cover the generated salaries, auto-transfer from another budget (as it does after arb, if arb puts you over budget).

Example:  if a particular level already has 15 players, then SIMMY would only generate 10 and fill in the missing rolls.  If you already have 25 or more guys at a level, SIMMY does nothing.

A couple of notes about the generated players:

1)  Their ratings would be at a bare minimum for their position.  So if SIMMY gives you a generated SS, he is going to be a below average SS, with just the bare minimum defensive ratings to play the position.  Likewise with hitting ratings.  He's not going to be a talented hitter.

2)  Generated players would not see any ratings development/improvement.  Ever.  Their current ratings at generation time will be as good as they ever get.

3)  Generated players will be ineligible to become DITR's.

4)  They will be generated with an age that's appropriate for the level they are playing at.  So a LoA generated guy might be 19-21 years old or so.  The same "rules" that are currently in place for minor leaguers retirements will also apply to them.  So a 25 year old generated guy with 4 seasons of experience stuck in LoA might retire.

So what does this accomplish?  It addresses the issue of owners not filling out their minor league rosters.  Every team will see all their levels filled with 25+ players, with enough position players and pitchers to make the minors somewhat realistic.  It also removes the excuses that owners have about how much time it takes to fill their minors.  SIMMY does it for you if you don't do it yourself.

What's the downside?  It dumbs down the game.  But only if you want it to.  You can still manage your minors the way you are currently managing them if you wish.

Some might argue "If you let SIMMY generate players and fill out your minor league rosters, then doesn't this kill the draft after the first couple of rounds?  Why should I care about promoting my non-prospects above RL level?"

Here's why:  generated players will not be as good as drafted players.  If you care at all about your minors, you'll still want to promote your drafted players from season to season because they will perform better than the players SIMMY gives you, they'll develop further, and they could become DITRs.  If you value minor league success, because reaching the minor league playoffs means more development time for your true prospects, you'll want to promote.  If you don't care about your minors, then this doesn't hurt you beyond the extra minor league salaries this will force you to pay.

Comments, criticisms, feedback, suggestions, etc. are welcome.
11/12/2010 11:30 PM
Too long.

Horrible idea.   First, minimum roster aren't adequate at the minor league level.  Second, a smart fellow would never sign a minor leaguer that doesn't have the potential to be BL quality. 
11/13/2010 7:42 AM
1)  So instead of 25, SIMMY autofills to 30 or 35.  Fixed.

2)  If you had read this, you would know that (a) drafted guys will be better than generated guys, so a "smart fellow" who wants more successful minor leagues will sign draftees rather than settle for generated guys; and (b) drafted guys have potential to become DITR's (and theremore potential BL quality) while generated guys would not.
11/13/2010 8:06 AM
Not a bad idea.  Why not have simmy automatically sign minor league FAs to fill out minors instead of generate players?
11/13/2010 8:53 AM
1. Good enough.  Although you know as well as I do that people will say "I don't need 30 players on my roster!!!   Why do I have to pay that extra 600k every year???"
2. I'm a "Playoff AB matter" kind of guy.  But I'm also the "I don't sign any pitchers who don't have BL potential because there's a training camp" kind of guy.   And I make the minor league playoffs a lot.
11/13/2010 10:35 AM

1)  No matter what's in place, there will always be people who find something to complain about.  Unavoidable.

2)  Then this won't change anything for you.  You can continue to run your minors the way you currently do.  But MAYBE there will be a little more competition because (in theory) this should un-'tard other teams minors to some extent.  You shouldn't have the four game series where you win each game by a 26-2 score.

11/13/2010 10:52 AM
Posted by shobob on 11/13/2010 8:53:00 AM (view original):
Not a bad idea.  Why not have simmy automatically sign minor league FAs to fill out minors instead of generate players?
Because many worlds don't have enough minor league FA's (particularly position players) to fill out rosters.  A problem created by many seasons of neglected minor league systems and mass retirements.  Training Camp addresses that somwhat for pitchers.  There is no Training Camp for position players to fill the gaps.
11/13/2010 10:54 AM
1.  Agreed.
2.  Now we're just making change for the sake of change.  That's causing a bit of a dust up right now.  And probably why this thread was started.
11/13/2010 11:30 AM
Posted by tecwrg on 11/13/2010 10:54:00 AM (view original):
Posted by shobob on 11/13/2010 8:53:00 AM (view original):
Not a bad idea.  Why not have simmy automatically sign minor league FAs to fill out minors instead of generate players?
Because many worlds don't have enough minor league FA's (particularly position players) to fill out rosters.  A problem created by many seasons of neglected minor league systems and mass retirements.  Training Camp addresses that somwhat for pitchers.  There is no Training Camp for position players to fill the gaps.
Agreed.  I would just tweak your idea the slightest bit in that I would have simmy distribute out the minor league FAs first, then generate roster filler.
11/13/2010 11:39 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/13/2010 11:30:00 AM (view original):
1.  Agreed.
2.  Now we're just making change for the sake of change.  That's causing a bit of a dust up right now.  And probably why this thread was started.
2.  No, it's not just change for the sake of change.  It addresses a couple of problems: (a) many owners just don't want to spend the time, as little as it is, to set their minor league rosters, which is why you often see rosters with only 12-15 players; and (b) it addresses the lack of minor league position FA's by coming up with an alternative to Training Camp.

I think it addresses those problems without taking anything away.  Owners who still want more hands-on management of their minors can continue do so, and will continue to have an advantage over those who don't.
11/13/2010 12:41 PM
Posted by shobob on 11/13/2010 11:39:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 11/13/2010 10:54:00 AM (view original):
Posted by shobob on 11/13/2010 8:53:00 AM (view original):
Not a bad idea.  Why not have simmy automatically sign minor league FAs to fill out minors instead of generate players?
Because many worlds don't have enough minor league FA's (particularly position players) to fill out rosters.  A problem created by many seasons of neglected minor league systems and mass retirements.  Training Camp addresses that somwhat for pitchers.  There is no Training Camp for position players to fill the gaps.
Agreed.  I would just tweak your idea the slightest bit in that I would have simmy distribute out the minor league FAs first, then generate roster filler.
That would work as well.
11/13/2010 12:42 PM
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