All Star Consideration for Multi-Position Players Topic

ArlenWilliam
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Currently, excellent players are being shut out of All-Star consideration, when they spend substantial time playing more than one position.  It would be nice and realistic, if that were not the case.
5/20/2011 11:56 PM
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Totally agree.  One of my teams has had this "bug" bite me at least once and more like twice every season for 5 or 6 seasons.  I have a lot of players on thsi team that platoon in at various positions for many reasons (dependant on whether the pitcher is lefty or righty, the quality of the opposing pitcher, or just to give a different guy a day of rest). 

It also affects their chances of winning a Silver Slugger and Gold Glove.

I think this will ultimately affect my guy's chances of making the Hall of Fame.  A very good player with 8 All Star appearances, 3 Silver Sluggers and 1 Gold Glove is not the same as a guy with 2 All Star appearances, 1 Silver Slugger and 0 Gold Gloves, even though their stats are 100% identical. 
5/21/2011 10:08 AM
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I can see the All-Star appearance for these kinds of guys, but how can you justify SS or GG?  If they only play partial seasons at any one position, how can you give them a GG over somebody who plays the position full time?

Anyways, awards and A/S appearances are overrated.  As is the HOF.  Just fluff.

5/22/2011 9:46 AM
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Players who play mulltiple positions in MLB are often labeled "utility players".    It's unusual for an A/S to play 30 game at SS, 30 games at 2B and 25 games at 3B. 
5/22/2011 10:24 AM
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Who cares how many games he plays at what position?  If the guy is on pace for 50 hrs, and is hitting .333, he should be an all-star.
5/22/2011 11:07 AM
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It doesn't happen too often, but it does happen occasionally in MLB.  Pujols started between 32 and 52 games at four different positions in 2001 (his rookie season) and made the all-star team.

He also won the Silver Slugger for 3B that season, despite only 55 games (431 innings) played at the position.  That doesn't seem right.
5/22/2011 11:42 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 5/22/2011 11:42:00 AM (view original):
It doesn't happen too often, but it does happen occasionally in MLB.  Pujols started between 32 and 52 games at four different positions in 2001 (his rookie season) and made the all-star team.

He also won the Silver Slugger for 3B that season, despite only 55 games (431 innings) played at the position.  That doesn't seem right.
Freddy Sanchez and Omar Infante are other, more recent examples. Especially Sanchez, who in 2006 actually almost nails Mike's GP per Position almost dead on. It does happen occasionally.
5/22/2011 12:25 PM
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Posted by shobob on 5/22/2011 11:07:00 AM (view original):
Who cares how many games he plays at what position?  If the guy is on pace for 50 hrs, and is hitting .333, he should be an all-star.

Baseball has specific positions.    Your A/S team can't be 22 firstbasmen because they're all crushing the ball.

As for Pujols, I'd be curious to know how many games he played at each position BEFORE the A/S game.   That's why I cut-off my example at 85 games played.

5/22/2011 12:35 PM
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Assuming the first position listed on B_R game logs is the position he started at, here you go:
3B-45
1B-16
RF-15
LF-5
DH-2

Predominantly a 3B.
5/22/2011 12:44 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 5/22/2011 9:46:00 AM (view original):

I can see the All-Star appearance for these kinds of guys, but how can you justify SS or GG?  If they only play partial seasons at any one position, how can you give them a GG over somebody who plays the position full time?

Anyways, awards and A/S appearances are overrated.  As is the HOF.  Just fluff.

Maybe you're right about Gold Glove but you should still be able to win the Silver Slugger.   Haywood Adkins is a specific example on one of my teams.  His Season 17 he was beyond remarkable (actually tailed off late in the season though, for 130 games he was unbelievable).  He damn near won the MVP yet he didn't qualify for Silver Slugger or All Star as a Catcher.  He normally plays about 2/3 the season as a C and 1/3 at 1B.  This is because my second catcher is also a very good hitter, especially vs lefties.  So my vL lineup I want to get both players in there for their offense.  So Adkins plays 1B vs lefties and catches vs righties. 

Another good example on this team is  Brian Handworth who has never won a Silver Slugger or made an All Star roster despite being one of the top 10 hitters in the NL.  My normal LF has a 71 vR split and a 2 vL split.  So versus righties Handworth plays RF and vs lefties, he shifts over to LF and I bring in a different RF.  He'll also play 1B when I want to give my regular 1B a rest.
5/22/2011 2:05 PM
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Same for the other awards:

MVP, ROY, whatever else....
6/2/2011 9:02 PM
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Here's just one example of a guy who hasn't gotten any love for ROY or All-Star: 

Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Jimmie Williams
6/2/2011 9:07 PM
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Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Derrick Evans

Won the gold glove at 2B while playing 92 games there, with 51 at 3B and 9 at SS.
6/5/2011 4:10 AM
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