moy -

A penalty for transferring money from one budget to another is one topic.

A maximum amount that can be put in any budget category is a different topic.

If you want to change the topic, probably better to start a new thread.

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/22/2011 12:05:00 PM (view original):
Equate it to making a bad signing.   You sign a guy to 5y/25m.  You realize, in his 3rd season, that he can be replaced by a 360k player.   You're still stuck paying 5m per for the next three seasons.   One might call that a 5m penalty for 3 seasons for thinking wrong.

Mike - It took me this long to realize you don't understand what a budget is.  Let me try to explain.

A budget is a plan.  A best guess.  As new information or opportunities come along plans and budgets can and should change.

A contract is a commitment to spend money. A binding agreement.  New information or opportunities can't change this commitment.

If you are equating these two concepts, you don't understand them.

I'm sure you can find websites or books that explain these ideas in more detail. If you don't mind, could you please read up a bit more on these ideas before posting anything else here. Thanks.

So signing a player to a multi-year deal isn't a "plan"?   Are you saying you don't have "plans" for said player?  Are you saying said "plan" for said player can't change based upon new information or opportunities?

I'm almost certain that you are too stupid to play HBD is you answer "no" to any of those three questions.    And, even if you answer "yes" and can't make the comparison to budgeting, you are still too stupid to play HBD. 

May I suggest this for your spare time?

Or, if this helps, look at budgeting as a committment.    And "plan" accordingly.    After you master Chutes and Ladders.

Posted by tufft on 10/22/2011 3:48:00 PM (view original):
moy -

A penalty for transferring money from one budget to another is one topic.

A maximum amount that can be put in any budget category is a different topic.

If you want to change the topic, probably better to start a new thread.

I thought this thread was titled 'budget transfers'... with no transfer penalties or budget caps I would assign/transfer $70 mil to my prospect budget for a few seasons and collect the best IFAs (about 3 per season). I wouldn't even have to tank to do it.

Posted by tufft on 10/22/2011 3:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/22/2011 12:05:00 PM (view original):
Equate it to making a bad signing.   You sign a guy to 5y/25m.  You realize, in his 3rd season, that he can be replaced by a 360k player.   You're still stuck paying 5m per for the next three seasons.   One might call that a 5m penalty for 3 seasons for thinking wrong.

Mike - It took me this long to realize you don't understand what a budget is.  Let me try to explain.

A budget is a plan.  A best guess.  As new information or opportunities come along plans and budgets can and should change.

A contract is a commitment to spend money. A binding agreement.  New information or opportunities can't change this commitment.

If you are equating these two concepts, you don't understand them.

I'm sure you can find websites or books that explain these ideas in more detail. If you don't mind, could you please read up a bit more on these ideas before posting anything else here. Thanks.

My wife hasn't put you on a budget then. My budget is not flexible.... hers is ;)

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/22/2011 4:19:00 PM (view original):
So signing a player to a multi-year deal isn't a "plan"?   Are you saying you don't have "plans" for said player?  Are you saying said "plan" for said player can't change based upon new information or opportunities?

I'm almost certain that you are too stupid to play HBD is you answer "no" to any of those three questions.    And, even if you answer "yes" and can't make the comparison to budgeting, you are still too stupid to play HBD. 

May I suggest this for your spare time?

Mike - You should stop. You are making a fool of yourself.

A contract is a commitment to spend money. You can't change
your mind. You have to spend it.

A budget is a plan. A number on a piece of paper or a spreadsheet.
Nothing more. Can be changed anytime. Budgeted money
may or may not be spent. Or you can spend more.

If there should or should not be a budget transfer penalty is an
opinion. You can have your own opinion.

A contract and a budget are not the same thing. You can't have
your own facts.

Is there a grownup you could ask about this? Or someone
with a high school diploma?

Posted by tufft on 10/22/2011 3:48:00 PM (view original):
moy -

A penalty for transferring money from one budget to another is one topic.

A maximum amount that can be put in any budget category is a different topic.

If you want to change the topic, probably better to start a new thread.

The topic is "budget transfers".

If you want to be a dumbass, you don't need to start a new thread. Mission accomplished.

Posted by tufft on 10/23/2011 8:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/22/2011 4:19:00 PM (view original):
So signing a player to a multi-year deal isn't a "plan"?   Are you saying you don't have "plans" for said player?  Are you saying said "plan" for said player can't change based upon new information or opportunities?

I'm almost certain that you are too stupid to play HBD is you answer "no" to any of those three questions.    And, even if you answer "yes" and can't make the comparison to budgeting, you are still too stupid to play HBD. 

May I suggest this for your spare time?

Mike - You should stop. You are making a fool of yourself.

A contract is a commitment to spend money. You can't change
your mind. You have to spend it.

A budget is a plan. A number on a piece of paper or a spreadsheet.
Nothing more. Can be changed anytime. Budgeted money
may or may not be spent. Or you can spend more.

If there should or should not be a budget transfer penalty is an
opinion. You can have your own opinion.

A contract and a budget are not the same thing. You can't have
your own facts.

Is there a grownup you could ask about this? Or someone
with a high school diploma?

Consider budgeting a committment to spend money.  Because, once you put money into any number of categories(Scouting, training, medical), it is spent.    You want coaching, payroll and prospect to be different.   Why?

If you can't answer that, Chutes and Ladders it is.

Other than in HBD, budgeting is not a commitment. They mean different things. Pick up a dictionary.

The way HBD works now, budgeting is a commitment because there is a transfer penalty. I think that should be changed. It's not how it works in the real world. It doesn't add anything to the game.  It does make it less fun by limiting options. It's a barrier to building a team.

In some HBD budgets, budgeting is the same as committing.  We don't first budget for training, medical, scouting, then later spend out of that budget. Unless WIS changes the game so that first we budget for scouts, then we hire them, they are different.

Understand?

But you're playing HBD.

One man's fun is another man's strategy.

Understand?

If not, Chutes and Ladders is your game!!!!

Apparently in real life, a budget is not a commitment.

tufft obviously does not work in finance.

"sure Charlie, go ahead and spend more than we budgetted for! It wasn't really a commitment. I'll explain it to the CEO"

"No penalty!"

Posted by deathinahole on 10/24/2011 4:33:00 PM (view original):
Apparently in real life, a budget is not a commitment.

tufft obviously does not work in finance.

"sure Charlie, go ahead and spend more than we budgetted for! It wasn't really a commitment. I'll explain it to the CEO"

Yep. I'm not saying its always the case but many companies set a budget and that's that unless there is unforeseen shortfalls. Just cause the r&d budget goes under the allocated amount does not mean they shift that extra money to the marketing budget. Yes in some cases some things run over budget but there has to be good reason to do so... ie cold weather delayed theconstruction for a new hospital wing. Budgets are however commitments from the evp of a department ... thats why they fight so hard to get the money allocated to them. The government is an example of an entity that can't seem to stay w/in a budget. It goes both ways....

That said.... I like the budgeting in hbd. It adds strategy and makes an owner think before 'committing ' money to one department or another.

I'm preaching to the choir, but is that transfer "free"?

Do you get a "oh sure sure, go ahead, transfer that budget."