Increase time to sign FA during arb. Topic

MikeT23
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Why not increase them to 10 days?  Two weeks?    Because there's reasonable and then there's silly.

Your suggestion adds nothing to the game.   You constant "owners quit due to time limitations" is unfounded.     If they're quitting due to time issues after 20 seasons, it's because their situation changed not because the game changed.    There's no reason to think someone, who doesn't play HBD now, will take their place when their situation changes. 

This entire thread is self-serving because you don't have time.   It's not the first time you've had this complaint and I doubt it will be the last.  Unless, of course, your situation changes and you suddenly have more time.
11/6/2011 6:27 PM
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If there is no need to keep it at 7 days I would agree to increase it to 2 weeks. There should be a reason behind a time restriction. I agree 15 minutes would be absurd, however if your going to use time management skill argument then 15 minutes should not be a problem. I can make my changes in 15 minutes, its just a question if I have the personal time and access to a computer to do it. 

Your argument against this suggestion is self serving, it's not your first time either.

Your lack of logic is amazing, real life and game life go hand and hand, when someone says they are quitting because their situation changed its the same as saying my situation changed and I can't play within the time constraints of the game . If someone had 10 years to do 1 action they would not quit because of time.

It's amazing how many times you make a logic error and then never come back to that argument again. This whole thread has been you grasping at straws and changing reason to reason until you find something that sticks.. 

People generally don't make suggestions that they personally do not like. Because someone makes a suggestion that would benefit them does not mean that its a bad suggestion.

You can say its not unfounded, but I doubt there is 1 long term person who has not heard other owners say, I am cutting teams because I dont have time, or I am quitting because I dont have time.


11/6/2011 6:42 PM
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Here is the questions that should be asked when looking to extend time for a event.

1- will more days be added to the world schedule.

2-Will future events on the world schedule not be able to run on time. 

If the answer is no to those 2 questions then maximum time should be given. I am looking to win the game on the field, I want luck to be as minimal of a factor as possible.
11/6/2011 7:02 PM
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24 hours is one check in per day.   If you can't find time in 24 hours, this probably isn't a game for you.    I'm not bothering to read those two posts.   You make zero sense with all of your arguments.
11/6/2011 8:03 PM
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I have already agreed with you I don't know why you keep bringing it up, I don't have the time to play within the current time constraints, I conceded that point and I agreed with you over and over.

The player base and WIS are probably better off without customers who don't have time to play within the time constraints of the game. WIS is much better off losing customers and the worlds are much better off losing current owners of their world and looking for someone new who has more available time. Its win win.
11/6/2011 8:52 PM
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IMO the "time constraints" issue is really more about the constant baby sitting needed for FA and Coach negotiations.
Then there is the draft, which doesn't "require" a lot of time but sure seems to reward those who do spend time on it.

So I am not sure if any extension of the Arb period would really affect the majority of owners who leave citing time as an issue, because it would not affect the two most demanding parts of the game one bit.
11/7/2011 3:59 AM
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Exactly.   Owners leaving due to "time constraints" aren't leaving because re-sign FA is only 2 days.   This is just plague's isolated problem.

11/7/2011 6:35 AM
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Seriously.   You're a commish and a possible owner says "Sometime I miss an event or two due to time restraints.  I'll do the best I can but I'm gonna miss an event here and there.   If I do, I may sour on the team, it may become a bad in game memory that I would rather not follow me for multiple seasons. I might change my opinion later as it won't effect me for 80 days and maybe I will calm down, but the way I usually feel is don't want to spend the next 5 seasons being ticked off every time I play the team.  So, what's the password?" 

Do you give him a team?
11/7/2011 6:39 AM
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Posted by mchalesarmy on 11/7/2011 4:01:00 AM (view original):
IMO the "time constraints" issue is really more about the constant baby sitting needed for FA and Coach negotiations.
Then there is the draft, which doesn't "require" a lot of time but sure seems to reward those who do spend time on it.

So I am not sure if any extension of the Arb period would really affect the majority of owners who leave citing time as an issue, because it would not affect the two most demanding parts of the game one bit.
I have said that this suggestion alone is not a cure all, its a small part of the problem. Every time a owner misses something because of a time constraint it leads that owner to the conclusion he does not have the time to play this game.  

Personally myself I would rather miss(if I have a 5 year player worth losing) coach hiring period then arb signing period. I could live without resigning my own coaches, but losing 3 of my best players to free agency next season instead of resigning them would be 100x more devastating. I can easily pick up some worthwhile coaches during the hiring process, but to replace a stud player lost through missed arbitration would be much more worst.


11/7/2011 5:51 PM (edited)
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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/7/2011 6:39:00 AM (view original):
Seriously.   You're a commish and a possible owner says "Sometime I miss an event or two due to time restraints.  I'll do the best I can but I'm gonna miss an event here and there.   If I do, I may sour on the team, it may become a bad in game memory that I would rather not follow me for multiple seasons. I might change my opinion later as it won't effect me for 80 days and maybe I will calm down, but the way I usually feel is don't want to spend the next 5 seasons being ticked off every time I play the team.  So, what's the password?" 

Do you give him a team?
No, I would not want him. However  if the unnecessary time constraints did not exist less owners would need to make that statement. Thats the owners I am targeting .

 Because of the unnecessary time constraints  I will have to adjust with that team, instead of giving the players what I intended luck made the decision for me. I took over a crap team and built them into a world series contender, I am not going to do the hard work and let someone else reap the benefits.

Since the game took the decision I wanted out of my hands, I will adjust by moving my Intl down 4 mil the max, prospect from 20 to 6,  signing one of the players for 9+ mil a season to a possible 20 million 5 year contract., the other player wont be as demanding so I will just have to overpay hopefully a couple mil a season.

I will keep the team for probably 2 more seasons as I make a all out world series run and ignore the future of the team, then because of  unnecessary time constraints  this team will be the casualty of me cutting teams. Wis will have 1 less owner, and the commish will have to find a new owner to take the place of someone who had been successfully coaching the team for 15+ seasons. The team will still be in better shape than I got it, but in worst shape if luck did not play such a large role in my decision process. 

I don't see how that is better for WIS or the world I currently play in. 
11/7/2011 5:52 PM (edited)
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WIS could easily allow you to resign these players during the sign free agent process without changing anything else in the world schedule. That would allow 4 extra days increasing the amount of days from 2 to 6.
11/7/2011 5:57 PM
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Posted by plague on 11/7/2011 5:57:00 PM (view original):
WIS could easily allow you to resign these players during the sign free agent process without changing anything else in the world schedule. That would allow 4 extra days increasing the amount of days from 2 to 6.

What if you decide you don't want to arb them or sign them long-term?  They hit the FA market after the FA period?  That doesn't make any sense.
I've gotta side with Mike on this one.  The amount of time they give you as is, is plenty.  If the real world get's in the way and you arb them a third time, you still may be able to resign them (if they win Arb, I think you likely can resign them, and since the auto-arb offers 70% of demands, they are likely to win... if you win, well you got them at a discount this year).  If they are that big of a game changer, find a trade partner and get something for them and deal with your misfortune.

11/7/2011 6:29 PM
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I would also be ok if the season before a players 3rd arb season, and after you arbed him the 2nd time that WIS allowed you to sign the player long term, but currently you cannot. You only get that one  48 hour window....

Allow players after they have been arbed a 2nd time to sign a long term contract anytime during the season of their 2nd arb season. This will stop the player from going to his 3rd arb season and allow you to only sign him for 5 seasons.  This suggestion is better than my original suggestion. Nothing else in the world schedule changes and the problem is solved.
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What if you decide you don't want to arb them or sign them long-term?  They hit the FA market after the FA period?  That doesn't make any sense....

It does not make sense because by your response I can tell you did not understand my suggestion. My suggestion has nothing to do with the current season FA crop, its the players arbed the current season that will be free agents next season.

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If I am in the minority so be it. In the past I did not want to cut teams but now  I am at peace with the idea of cutting teams, even this suggestion is a small effort into minimizing the time restraints. If I had a suggestion to extend other areas without effecting the world schedule I would, but I currently do not.. 
 


11/8/2011 6:12 AM (edited)
MikeT23
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Just reduce your number of teams to a manageable number and stop whining.   No one agrees with you.   No one will care that they lose an owner who doesn't have time to manage his team.   Just do it and be done with it.

After a miseable 71 win season, I'm 5th in the R5 draft.   I meant to leave a spot open to draft someone if there was a decent player available and now, 3 hours late, I realize that I didn't.    Seems like we should have a 4 hour grace period on removing players from the 40(but not adding).    See how silly that sounds?  
11/8/2011 6:49 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/8/2011 6:49:00 AM (view original):
Just reduce your number of teams to a manageable number and stop whining.   No one agrees with you.   No one will care that they lose an owner who doesn't have time to manage his team.   Just do it and be done with it.

After a miseable 71 win season, I'm 5th in the R5 draft.   I meant to leave a spot open to draft someone if there was a decent player available and now, 3 hours late, I realize that I didn't.    Seems like we should have a 4 hour grace period on removing players from the 40(but not adding).    See how silly that sounds?  
I am not whining about it. I made a suggestion and I would of never made another comment about again until  as always you have to troll into every single thread and give your 2 cents, which is always the same, disagree with the person starting the thread.  I have just as much right to defend my suggestion as you do to troll into every thread. Quit trying to get the last word about my suggestion and I will be done. I am not worried if the idea gets accepted or gets rejected. 
11/8/2011 7:14 AM
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