Posted by MikeT23 on 1/26/2012 9:27:00 PM (view original):
I checked.  8 suggestions in this forum in the last 6 months(one implemented.  Add baserunning rating to more screens).  If you care to look, I took some abuse in some of them.   No crying from me about it.

You're welcome.  

I stand corrected.  Perhaps my statement should read "you haven't made any suggestions recently" 

Hmmm.  23 people have me blocked.  What did I say?

Posted by shobob on 1/26/2012 9:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/26/2012 9:25:00 PM (view original):
This was his suggestion thread.  No need for me to make different suggestions here.  

You may check again to see if I've actually made ANY suggestions in this forum.   You might be surprised.

Nonetheless, if we're led to believe that WifS monitors these forums, I think it's a bad idea to have 10 "attaboy, +1" posts and nothing else if/when a suggestion is relatively useless.   Would you disagree?

I don't disagree with that last statement.  What I don't like seeing is people's judgement of a decent suggestion being clouded by a bias against the person making the suggestion.  I happen to think that it's a good idea, but I haven't read a decent counter point to it yet, except it wouldn't affect game play very much.  Well, baseball is a game of inches and statistics.  Little things pile up, and come to matter over a long season.  Sometimes a season can turn on a single play.  I, for one, wouldn't want the single play that my season hinges on to be booted by a 2b who was subbed in because he pinch hit for my light hitting 2b when he could have been put in LF, and the LF, whose ratings are better for 2b than the PH, and who has 2b for a secondary position, remains in LF.  As I said before (and nobody has refuted this), this sort of thing happens practically every game in real life MLB.

Actually I refuted it in my first post in this thread.

Beyond that, I haven't directly responded to anything apollo has posted because I have him blocked.  Therefore, it's very hard for me to make personal attacks on him.  I certainly don't think I attacked JVF or you(although I did call you an ******* in a suggestion thread I bumped because you did exactly what you claimed I ALWAYS do).   

As for the counter point, it's been noted that it's a very infrequent occurance that seldom affects gameplay.   I've never seen a triple play.  I'm not clamoring to have them become part of the game because it's not going to have much effect on gameplay.    This forum is filled with better, more important suggestions.   Having WifS waste time on this one is, well, a waste of time.

Posted by shobob on 1/26/2012 9:41:00 PM (view original):
Hmmm.  23 people have me blocked.  What did I say?

I wish I could KNOW who blocked me...

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/26/2012 9:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shobob on 1/26/2012 9:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/26/2012 9:25:00 PM (view original):
This was his suggestion thread.  No need for me to make different suggestions here.  

You may check again to see if I've actually made ANY suggestions in this forum.   You might be surprised.

Nonetheless, if we're led to believe that WifS monitors these forums, I think it's a bad idea to have 10 "attaboy, +1" posts and nothing else if/when a suggestion is relatively useless.   Would you disagree?

I don't disagree with that last statement.  What I don't like seeing is people's judgement of a decent suggestion being clouded by a bias against the person making the suggestion.  I happen to think that it's a good idea, but I haven't read a decent counter point to it yet, except it wouldn't affect game play very much.  Well, baseball is a game of inches and statistics.  Little things pile up, and come to matter over a long season.  Sometimes a season can turn on a single play.  I, for one, wouldn't want the single play that my season hinges on to be booted by a 2b who was subbed in because he pinch hit for my light hitting 2b when he could have been put in LF, and the LF, whose ratings are better for 2b than the PH, and who has 2b for a secondary position, remains in LF.  As I said before (and nobody has refuted this), this sort of thing happens practically every game in real life MLB.

Actually I refuted it in my first post in this thread.

Beyond that, I haven't directly responded to anything apollo has posted because I have him blocked.  Therefore, it's very hard for me to make personal attacks on him.  I certainly don't think I attacked JVF or you(although I did call you an ******* in a suggestion thread I bumped because you did exactly what you claimed I ALWAYS do).   

As for the counter point, it's been noted that it's a very infrequent occurance that seldom affects gameplay.   I've never seen a triple play.  I'm not clamoring to have them become part of the game because it's not going to have much effect on gameplay.    This forum is filled with better, more important suggestions.   Having WifS waste time on this one is, well, a waste of time.

OK, you refuted it, but you provided no proof, or justification.  Do you even watch baseball games?  I've seen a few, and almost every time, by the end of the game, some guy who started the game in one position will be playing somewhere else.  Often, it's the CF moving over to LF to improve the overall outfield D when the defensive specialist OF comes in.  Sometimes, the 3B goes back to RF when the utility IF comes in to play 3B (another situation to improve overall defense).

Yeah, I watch quite a few myself.  I don't see it as often as you seem to think it happens.  

However, I'll add that fielding ratings are unrealistic in HBD.   An adequate SS is a gold glover everywhere else.  A mediocre LF is awesome at 1B.  Players can bounce from 3B to RF to LF to 2B to 1B in consecutive games.    Allowing substitutions like this thread suggests only increases what I see as a problem.  You and I both know that only a select few real life players can be adequate, not immediate gold glovers, at all positions.    Playing 2B is not the same as playing SS, CF or 3B. 

I agree with that.  However, there are players out there who can bounce around from position to position rather easily, it seems.   Jose Bautista (3B/RF) jumps to mind.  I'm sure he's not the only one.  Perhaps you don't see the position switching because you're not looking for it?  Sounds like something to look into at least.

There's no doubt I'm not looking for it.    This certainly isn't the first time this has been mentioned.   Last season it was brought up.  I said something along the lines of "I virtually never see this and I know I've watched 80 games this year."    Someone checked a random day's worth of box scores and it happened in 4-6 games.   While that's certainly not "virtually never", it's not "almost every time" either. 

But, again, the minimal impact on gameply, unrealistic fielding in HBD and the "infrequent" occurance in MLB makes this a suggestion not worth having. 

Thread closed?

Ok I looked.  It doesn't seem to happen much.  I back off my statement that it happens often.  Please forgive me.

Posted by apollo7 on 1/26/2012 9:35:00 PM (view original):
I just threw out a number for Mikey, its probably closer to 50.    The number of posts a day doesn't make you a troll.  Being a troll makes you a troll.  Mikey is a troll.

It's kind of interesting that your first post in these forums in months was this one from yesterday, in which you pretty much just jumped in to start stirring up the pot.

Where does that fall on your troll-o-meter?  What contribution did that provide to the topic of that thread?

Maybe you should look up the term "hypocrisy" before you start passing judgment on other people.

Posted by shobob on 1/26/2012 10:14:00 PM (view original):
Ok I looked.  It doesn't seem to happen much.  I back off my statement that it happens often.  Please forgive me.

So do we now agree on this?

"But, again, the minimal impact on gameply, unrealistic fielding in HBD and the "infrequent" occurance in MLB makes this a suggestion not worth having."

Or, at the very least, everything but the last three words? 

Posted by tecwrg2 on 1/26/2012 10:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by apollo7 on 1/26/2012 9:35:00 PM (view original):
I just threw out a number for Mikey, its probably closer to 50.    The number of posts a day doesn't make you a troll.  Being a troll makes you a troll.  Mikey is a troll.

It's kind of interesting that your first post in these forums in months was this one from yesterday, in which you pretty much just jumped in to start stirring up the pot.

Where does that fall on your troll-o-meter?  What contribution did that provide to the topic of that thread?

Maybe you should look up the term "hypocrisy" before you start passing judgment on other people.

LOL, fine, if I'm a troll then you are a stalker.  Seriously dude everytime I've made a comment in the past 2 years you respond to it within minutes.  Creepy dude.

And also, technically that thread already had the pot being stirred, compliments of...drum roll please....MikeT23.  King of Trolls.

Does NOBODY ELSE want to know who blocked them? It's bugging me....

And to contribute to the conversation, I again say I side with Mike, there is not enough RL justification for this, and definitely not enough in-game justification. It would be a nice little addition, but in NO WAY do I believe it should be a priority.

And I say things that can effect gameplay should take priority over cosmetic changes such as adding BR to the roster screen.