Fix Player Rest for Minor Leaguers when season end Topic

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Hell, I'll play some more.

Do real players get rested when the season ends?  Yes.
Do real players throw side sessions, take BP, infield practice, etc, etc, when the season ends?  Nope.   They take some down time.
8/10/2012 7:02 AM
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Mark Kiger
8/10/2012 7:30 AM
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I knew there had to be one somewhere in history.   Pinch-runner?

8/10/2012 8:51 AM
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From BR:

Mark Kiger became the first player since Bug Holliday in 1885 to make his major league debut in the postseason. An infielder, he played in two games for the Oakland Athletics in the 2006 American League Championship Series. He was added to Oakland's roster after second baseman Mark Ellis fractured his finger and was unable to play. He has never played in a regular season major league game.

8/10/2012 9:06 AM
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And by played in 2 games, it means he got into 2 games and never had a plate appearance, so he was either a late inning defensive replacement, or a pinch-runner.

8/10/2012 9:07 AM
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I'll re-iterate my point just for the hell of it.

Players recover just fine sitting on your BL HBD bench.   They're already on the 40 so you're not saving an option by leaving them in the minors.   What it will cost you is cap space(very minimal) and service time.   If you don't want to use the resources available to you, I have to believe you have a game manipulation agenda. 

In Mantle, I expanded my BL roster to the full 40.  11 of my call-ups have not seen playing time with 5 games left in the season.   At least half of them were fatigued.  I called them up to rest my BL players once I clinched(which I haven't done yet) and so they'd be 100% IF I decided to add them to the post-season roster.  They'll sit on my BL bench until my season is done and then they'll be sent back down.

I planned ahead and anticipate none of the heart-breaking issues that shoenberg suffers from.
8/10/2012 9:15 AM
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As an example of roster manipulation, I didn't call up Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Alejandro Bautista, the only player on my 40 who is not on my BL bench.    You know why?  He didn't clear waivers so I'd have to keep him on my BL team for next season.  
8/10/2012 9:17 AM
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Posted by AlCheez on 8/10/2012 9:06:00 AM (view original):

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Mark Kiger became the first player since Bug Holliday in 1885 to make his major league debut in the postseason. An infielder, he played in two games for the Oakland Athletics in the 2006 American League Championship Series. He was added to Oakland's roster after second baseman Mark Ellis fractured his finger and was unable to play. He has never played in a regular season major league game.

To be clear, this ISN'T what Mike was looking for, although it is a specialized case.  He asked for a player who played in the postseason without playing during THAT regular season.  Kiger qualifies because he never played in ANY regular season, but I'm sure there are more guys that were postseason adds.

And you're right, KRod doesn't qualify.  He was a late (post-9/1) 40-man roster add after an injury, so while he wasn't on the ML roster at the time of the expanded rosters and theoretically not playoff-eligible, the Angels (cheating bastards) slid him onto their playoff roster around the system.
8/10/2012 5:09 PM
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Posted by toddcommish on 8/10/2012 5:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 8/10/2012 9:06:00 AM (view original):

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Mark Kiger became the first player since Bug Holliday in 1885 to make his major league debut in the postseason. An infielder, he played in two games for the Oakland Athletics in the 2006 American League Championship Series. He was added to Oakland's roster after second baseman Mark Ellis fractured his finger and was unable to play. He has never played in a regular season major league game.

To be clear, this ISN'T what Mike was looking for, although it is a specialized case.  He asked for a player who played in the postseason without playing during THAT regular season.  Kiger qualifies because he never played in ANY regular season, but I'm sure there are more guys that were postseason adds.

And you're right, KRod doesn't qualify.  He was a late (post-9/1) 40-man roster add after an injury, so while he wasn't on the ML roster at the time of the expanded rosters and theoretically not playoff-eligible, the Angels (cheating bastards) slid him onto their playoff roster around the system.
Kiger was the first guy  in 120+ years to make his major league debut in the postseason.  That doesn't necessarily preclude a situation where a guy played in a previous season, didn't play at all the following season, and then came up in the postseason, but seriously, how often do you think that has happened?  We're talking about a guy who was sent home 3-4 weeks earlier and hasn't played in the big leagues at all getting called up in the postseason here.  99% of the time, if a team thinks they have use for a guy, they are going to call him up when his minor league season ends.
8/10/2012 5:28 PM
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Jeez.  Here's what I'm talking about.

Everyone in my division sucks.   I've got a 4th year pro who is easily good enough to be a starter on my BL roster.  My plan is to bring him up after 20.   After 20, I'm 15-5, 2nd place is 8-12.   I say "Well, maybe 50 if I need him."   Comfortable lead after 50.   I decide to leave him in AAA and call him up for the playoffs thus allowing me to hold him back 20 NEXT season and get that extra year.    As it stands, I AT LEAST have to remember to rest him before the minor league season ends.   IF WifS follows schoenberg's suggestion, I can neglect to do so AND manipulate my roster like I planned. 

If nothing else, make owners work to play roster manipulation.

8/10/2012 6:11 PM
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Posted by AlCheez on 8/10/2012 5:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by toddcommish on 8/10/2012 5:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by AlCheez on 8/10/2012 9:06:00 AM (view original):

From BR:

Mark Kiger became the first player since Bug Holliday in 1885 to make his major league debut in the postseason. An infielder, he played in two games for the Oakland Athletics in the 2006 American League Championship Series. He was added to Oakland's roster after second baseman Mark Ellis fractured his finger and was unable to play. He has never played in a regular season major league game.

To be clear, this ISN'T what Mike was looking for, although it is a specialized case.  He asked for a player who played in the postseason without playing during THAT regular season.  Kiger qualifies because he never played in ANY regular season, but I'm sure there are more guys that were postseason adds.

And you're right, KRod doesn't qualify.  He was a late (post-9/1) 40-man roster add after an injury, so while he wasn't on the ML roster at the time of the expanded rosters and theoretically not playoff-eligible, the Angels (cheating bastards) slid him onto their playoff roster around the system.
Kiger was the first guy  in 120+ years to make his major league debut in the postseason.  That doesn't necessarily preclude a situation where a guy played in a previous season, didn't play at all the following season, and then came up in the postseason, but seriously, how often do you think that has happened?  We're talking about a guy who was sent home 3-4 weeks earlier and hasn't played in the big leagues at all getting called up in the postseason here.  99% of the time, if a team thinks they have use for a guy, they are going to call him up when his minor league season ends.
I've done this a number of times, had a guy make his ML debut in the postseason.  Because there's no penalty not to.
8/10/2012 7:11 PM
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I've actually done it too, specifically, i've brought up a guy with homer heavy splits for situational pinch hitting in the playoffs (like 50-90-40-40-80) that can't really play a position, so I won't burn a year to keep him on the roster in the regular season.  Never really thought of it as "gaming the system"
8/10/2012 7:25 PM
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Oh, it's definitely gaming the system.
8/10/2012 7:45 PM
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Is it really gaming the system?  Real life ML clubs have the option to do this, without some weird buggy fatigue penalty, but it never happens, because it makes no sense to do this in real life, with the exception of some very exceptional circumstances.   If they want to make it so that you can't have prospects make their debuts in the post season, they could go ahead and make it so.  But they won't, because there is no rule against it in real life.  This game is meant to simulate real life MLB, is it not?  I mean if your team makes the playoffs, but one of your important players goes down with an injury on the last day of the season, why should you be punished by this BUG, if the guy that you would have used from the minors is still sitting at %91, even though your AAA team has been doing nothing for two weeks?
8/10/2012 8:49 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 8/10/2012 7:02:00 AM (view original):
Hell, I'll play some more.

Do real players get rested when the season ends?  Yes.
Do real players throw side sessions, take BP, infield practice, etc, etc, when the season ends?  Nope.   They take some down time.
This.

As Mike points out, in real life if a guy is not on a big league roster after the minor league season ends, he's not going to be maintaining his skills, at least not at the same level he would be in-season.  He's going to be sitting on his couch for a couple of weeks catching up on his soaps until he starts his off-season conditioning routine.

You're not going to see guys being called up to the ML roster for the post-season after they've been sitting around inactive for a couple of weeks because of the rust factor.

The same rust factor does not exist in HBD, so taking advantage of it (like I admittedly do) definitely is gaming the system a bit.
8/10/2012 9:34 PM
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