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Posted by moy23 on 11/8/2014 9:34:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bheid408 on 11/8/2014 8:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 11/7/2014 11:07:00 PM (view original):
back on topic for the thread - I thought Obama was going to get us out of Iraq... 6 years later and he's sending another 1500 troops and requesting another $5 Billion to fund it? Thats not Bush's fault - Thats all on Obama and his 'exit' strategy
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How come when the Democrats had control of the Senate there was little to NO effort by Obama to compromise?

Now not even 1 week after the elections and the Repubs will take control he calls a meeting to try to get everyone to start working together.
Yet he has the audacity to say if they don't he'll just continue to use his executive orders to do what he wants, especially on immigration.
If he had any common sense he'd know that he'd better NOT use any more Executive Orders or 2016 elections will be even worse for the Democrats.

No doubt, when it comes to working across party lines and compromising, he is the worst President EVER.
Obama's Bills with zero republican votes:

Immigration
Pay Equity
Obamacare
Stimulus

Bush's bills with bipartisan support:

Patriot Act
No Child Left Behind
Bailout Bill


The bumbling, blundering Bush can get things done with both parties approval but the great orater, the great uniter can't? Go figure.
Three GOP senators voted in favor of the stimulus. Equal pay and immigration didn't pass.
11/8/2014 10:50 AM
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Posted by bad_luck on 11/8/2014 10:40:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bheid408 on 11/8/2014 8:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 11/7/2014 11:07:00 PM (view original):
back on topic for the thread - I thought Obama was going to get us out of Iraq... 6 years later and he's sending another 1500 troops and requesting another $5 Billion to fund it? Thats not Bush's fault - Thats all on Obama and his 'exit' strategy
More on Obama....

How come when the Democrats had control of the Senate there was little to NO effort by Obama to compromise?

Now not even 1 week after the elections and the Repubs will take control he calls a meeting to try to get everyone to start working together.
Yet he has the audacity to say if they don't he'll just continue to use his executive orders to do what he wants, especially on immigration.
If he had any common sense he'd know that he'd better NOT use any more Executive Orders or 2016 elections will be even worse for the Democrats.

No doubt, when it comes to working across party lines and compromising, he is the worst President EVER.
The more power a party has, the less need to comprise. Now that the Dems don't have the senate, the only way to do anything is compromise.
Gridlock = Obama with Democrat Senate control (his own party).

Compromise = Obama with Republican Senate control or his version of Dictatorship using Executive Orders..

I rest my case.
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Obama would have told him "You didn't build that!" in reference to the Subway sandwiches.
11/8/2014 3:04 PM
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To be fair, I doubt BL claimed that no one has ever gone from minimum wage to millionaire.   If you're not born into money, there's the real possibility that you worked a minimum wage job at some point.  So it stands to reason that most millionaires made minimum wage. 
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Posted by bheid408 on 11/8/2014 12:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/8/2014 10:40:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bheid408 on 11/8/2014 8:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 11/7/2014 11:07:00 PM (view original):
back on topic for the thread - I thought Obama was going to get us out of Iraq... 6 years later and he's sending another 1500 troops and requesting another $5 Billion to fund it? Thats not Bush's fault - Thats all on Obama and his 'exit' strategy
More on Obama....

How come when the Democrats had control of the Senate there was little to NO effort by Obama to compromise?

Now not even 1 week after the elections and the Repubs will take control he calls a meeting to try to get everyone to start working together.
Yet he has the audacity to say if they don't he'll just continue to use his executive orders to do what he wants, especially on immigration.
If he had any common sense he'd know that he'd better NOT use any more Executive Orders or 2016 elections will be even worse for the Democrats.

No doubt, when it comes to working across party lines and compromising, he is the worst President EVER.
The more power a party has, the less need to comprise. Now that the Dems don't have the senate, the only way to do anything is compromise.
Gridlock = Obama with Democrat Senate control (his own party).

Compromise = Obama with Republican Senate control or his version of Dictatorship using Executive Orders..

I rest my case.
Have you heard of the filibuster?
11/8/2014 4:51 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 11/8/2014 4:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/8/2014 3:23:00 PM (view original):
To be fair, I doubt BL claimed that no one has ever gone from minimum wage to millionaire.   If you're not born into money, there's the real possibility that you worked a minimum wage job at some point.  So it stands to reason that most millionaires made minimum wage. 
The lesson to be learned is not that he worked a minimum wage job - that's just the cherry on top.... Its HOW he got to where he is now. His attitude, his plan, his sacrifice, his hard work. Its that he educated himself along the way. Read his quotes. That's exactly what it takes to become wealthy.
A) I'm pretty sure that million includes the market value of real estate the he has mortgages on. He doesn't actually have a million bucks.
B) the guy is now making $100,000 a year. That makes saving and budgeting much, much easier.
C) he was able to save 100% of his minimum wage salary. Most people don't have that option.
D) in later jobs he was able to save 40-50k a year. A lot of people would be happy just grossing that.

Look, my point is not that it's impossible to succeed or go from lower class to upper. My point is that we're stacking the deck, making it harder and harder for people to move up.

It's a fact that not everyone can be rich. But people should have the chance to make enough that they aren't in poverty.
11/8/2014 4:57 PM
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A guy I went to school with, Jerry, went to work as a carpenter right out of school (like 1988 or so). 

He started working for two different contractors while living in the basement of his friend's house.

Everyone used to make fun of him cause he drove a real beater, lived like a hermit, wore old ragged clothes, ate raman noodles almost exclusively, etc. etc.

Then one day his one contractor boss was talking to his business partner and mentioned how they were about to build two houses in a new subdivision and if they could just come up with another 15K they would be able to build three at the one time. Jerry pipes up with "I have 15K".

They were both floored. He invested in their new project and in addition to the carpentry money he made on the three homes, he got a pretty good return on his 15K. 

He continued his carpentry gig, AND continued his financial partnership with his boss, and in less than 5 years he paid cash for a $225K house & a brand new Mercedes Benz.

He never swung a hammer again for $$. Who's laughing now. 

That kind of sh!t takes real discipline and a dedication to keep your eye on the prize.
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BL, and his ilk, provide excuses for people to remain in poverty.   And, in my experience, if you give people an excuse, they will use it.

That said, the success stories aren't "normal".   The vast majority of 20 y/o aren't planning for retirement.  They're planning for the weekend.   And, quite frankly, I have no problem with that.  You're only 20 once.   But, with mandatory military service, you'd be more mature and more educated about the responsibilities of an adult.   IMO, that's what we need.   The "knowledge" to decide if you want to worry about your 60s or party it up on Saturday. 

11/9/2014 7:54 AM
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Posted by bad_luck on 11/8/2014 4:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bheid408 on 11/8/2014 12:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/8/2014 10:40:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bheid408 on 11/8/2014 8:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 11/7/2014 11:07:00 PM (view original):
back on topic for the thread - I thought Obama was going to get us out of Iraq... 6 years later and he's sending another 1500 troops and requesting another $5 Billion to fund it? Thats not Bush's fault - Thats all on Obama and his 'exit' strategy
More on Obama....

How come when the Democrats had control of the Senate there was little to NO effort by Obama to compromise?

Now not even 1 week after the elections and the Repubs will take control he calls a meeting to try to get everyone to start working together.
Yet he has the audacity to say if they don't he'll just continue to use his executive orders to do what he wants, especially on immigration.
If he had any common sense he'd know that he'd better NOT use any more Executive Orders or 2016 elections will be even worse for the Democrats.

No doubt, when it comes to working across party lines and compromising, he is the worst President EVER.
The more power a party has, the less need to comprise. Now that the Dems don't have the senate, the only way to do anything is compromise.
Gridlock = Obama with Democrat Senate control (his own party).

Compromise = Obama with Republican Senate control or his version of Dictatorship using Executive Orders..

I rest my case.
Have you heard of the filibuster?
No Duh!

You are missing the point. When it comes to WORKING across party lines Obama has been the worst Prez EVER. Only NOW that the Repubs have control does he want to do it .....and why? only because he'll have to. A GOOD Prez would have been doing it all along regardless if he would have HAD to or not.
11/9/2014 8:14 AM
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Exactly.  Obama and the Democrats have conducted themselves with a "**** you, we don't need you" attitude with the Republicans when they've had the upper hand.  That hardly creates a feeling of goodwill they will need when the tables have turned.
11/9/2014 8:34 AM
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