Posted by moy23 on 7/21/2015 6:42:00 PM (view original):
So funny watching him rip the establishment Republicans to shreds.

I actually liked grahams tweet in response to trump giving out his phone #... "So I guess I need a new phone - iPhone or Android?"


I'm gonna need more popcorn cause trumps poll #s have gone up... Presidential polling he is now at 24%, almost twice any other Republican. In Iowa he is at 13% trailing only Walker (22%).

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/21/2015 7:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 7/21/2015 7:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/21/2015 7:01:00 PM (view original):
The Kardashians have been on for about 10 years.   Americans are not smart.   Watching some rich dude insult other rich dudes is entertainment for the dumb.

Good to see moy, bronx and stine are enjoying his antics. 

Don't pout Mike. Enjoy it. Face it - the spineless Republicans needed a good shake up.

Trump started a veteran hotline today where vets can call and email suggestions to fix the VA so when he's president he can fix it, because only a businessman knows how. Oh and he'll personally respond to some. Kind of brilliant considering everyone thinks he will lose vets after the McCain comments. You have to admit.

I'm not pouting.   Trump is all about Trump.   He doesn't give a **** about vets.   Or moy.   Or politics unless it helps Trump be Trump.   He's a clown.    And, if he were you or I, i.e. not rich, everyone would be saying "What a ******* clown.  Why is he getting press coverage?"

Posted by stinenavy on 7/22/2015 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/21/2015 7:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 7/21/2015 7:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/21/2015 7:01:00 PM (view original):
The Kardashians have been on for about 10 years.   Americans are not smart.   Watching some rich dude insult other rich dudes is entertainment for the dumb.

Good to see moy, bronx and stine are enjoying his antics. 

Don't pout Mike. Enjoy it. Face it - the spineless Republicans needed a good shake up.

Trump started a veteran hotline today where vets can call and email suggestions to fix the VA so when he's president he can fix it, because only a businessman knows how. Oh and he'll personally respond to some. Kind of brilliant considering everyone thinks he will lose vets after the McCain comments. You have to admit.

I'm not pouting.   Trump is all about Trump.   He doesn't give a **** about vets.   Or moy.   Or politics unless it helps Trump be Trump.   He's a clown.    And, if he were you or I, i.e. not rich, everyone would be saying "What a ******* clown.  Why is he getting press coverage?"

Sure. And if John Ellis Bush wasn't the son of a President, and brother of another he would just be a boring, random guy that hasn't held office in 8+ years. And if Hillary wasn't married to a former President she wouldn't have had much of a political career.

The fact remains that Trump is getting coverage because he's earned it. Damn near every poll shows him on top of the Republican nominees, you can't just ignore him.

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/22/2015 3:02:00 PM (view original):
Liberals are supposed, by definition, to question things.  But liberals in America are totally drinking the Kool-Aid on the ACA without bothering to fact check.  You get fed statistics about access to coverage and point to them over and over and over, but the vast majority seem blissfully unaware in the massive gap between access to coverage and access to care with the low-cost plans, the reduced quality of many employer-provided plans made possible by the provisions of the ACA, and the overall reduction in quality of care nationwide that has been necessitated by the additional cut to reimbursement rates that has been necessary to make this thing even remotely in the neighborhood of fiscally solvent.  Find some people who are at least 50-60 and ask them these questions:

How long did you spend at a doctor's visit 30-40 years ago?
How long did you spend 10 years ago?
How long do you spend now?

Odds are that in spite of the fact that, as part of the natural aging process, more things are going to be wrong with most of those people as time goes by, they will still be spending less and less time at well visits.  Certainly the average numbers have shown that trend.  You just can't afford to spend 20-30 minutes with an insured patient anymore, because you're getting paid, in many cases, less than half of what you bill.  So you get them in and out in 5-10 minutes.  You think that improves preventative care?  Or do you think maybe, just maybe, giving patients more time to tell you about all the concerns they've had might make it more likely that you catch problems early?

Posted by stinenavy on 7/22/2015 3:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 7/21/2015 6:42:00 PM (view original):
So funny watching him rip the establishment Republicans to shreds.

I actually liked grahams tweet in response to trump giving out his phone #... "So I guess I need a new phone - iPhone or Android?"


I'm gonna need more popcorn cause trumps poll #s have gone up... Presidential polling he is now at 24%, almost twice any other Republican. In Iowa he is at 13% trailing only Walker (22%).

This has to be his peak, and really I think it's easy for people just to pick Trump when being polled. He's a fun character, but when Iowa and New Hampshire elections come about he's going to get his 5-8% or so, that's assuming he doesn't pull a Perot and just drop out of the race all of a sudden.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/22/2015 4:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/22/2015 3:02:00 PM (view original):
Liberals are supposed, by definition, to question things.  But liberals in America are totally drinking the Kool-Aid on the ACA without bothering to fact check.  You get fed statistics about access to coverage and point to them over and over and over, but the vast majority seem blissfully unaware in the massive gap between access to coverage and access to care with the low-cost plans, the reduced quality of many employer-provided plans made possible by the provisions of the ACA, and the overall reduction in quality of care nationwide that has been necessitated by the additional cut to reimbursement rates that has been necessary to make this thing even remotely in the neighborhood of fiscally solvent.  Find some people who are at least 50-60 and ask them these questions:

How long did you spend at a doctor's visit 30-40 years ago?
How long did you spend 10 years ago?
How long do you spend now?

Odds are that in spite of the fact that, as part of the natural aging process, more things are going to be wrong with most of those people as time goes by, they will still be spending less and less time at well visits.  Certainly the average numbers have shown that trend.  You just can't afford to spend 20-30 minutes with an insured patient anymore, because you're getting paid, in many cases, less than half of what you bill.  So you get them in and out in 5-10 minutes.  You think that improves preventative care?  Or do you think maybe, just maybe, giving patients more time to tell you about all the concerns they've had might make it more likely that you catch problems early?

No one, at least not me, is blindly accepting obamacare. It certainly isn't perfect and doesn't solve every problem with health care.

What I'm also not doing is pretending that healthcare costs weren't already increasing every year prior to obamacare,

And I'm not pretending that employers were shifting more of the cost of healthcare back on to the employees prior to obamacare.

And I'm not pretending that time spent at the doctor (which I'm not sure is the best indicator of quality of care) wasn't already decreasing prior to obamacare.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/22/2015 4:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/22/2015 3:02:00 PM (view original):
Liberals are supposed, by definition, to question things.  But liberals in America are totally drinking the Kool-Aid on the ACA without bothering to fact check.  You get fed statistics about access to coverage and point to them over and over and over, but the vast majority seem blissfully unaware in the massive gap between access to coverage and access to care with the low-cost plans, the reduced quality of many employer-provided plans made possible by the provisions of the ACA, and the overall reduction in quality of care nationwide that has been necessitated by the additional cut to reimbursement rates that has been necessary to make this thing even remotely in the neighborhood of fiscally solvent.  Find some people who are at least 50-60 and ask them these questions:

How long did you spend at a doctor's visit 30-40 years ago?
How long did you spend 10 years ago?
How long do you spend now?

Odds are that in spite of the fact that, as part of the natural aging process, more things are going to be wrong with most of those people as time goes by, they will still be spending less and less time at well visits.  Certainly the average numbers have shown that trend.  You just can't afford to spend 20-30 minutes with an insured patient anymore, because you're getting paid, in many cases, less than half of what you bill.  So you get them in and out in 5-10 minutes.  You think that improves preventative care?  Or do you think maybe, just maybe, giving patients more time to tell you about all the concerns they've had might make it more likely that you catch problems early?

No one, at least not me, is blindly accepting obamacare. It certainly isn't perfect and doesn't solve every problem with health care.

What I'm also not doing is pretending that healthcare costs weren't already increasing every year prior to obamacare,

And I'm not pretending that employers were shifting more of the cost of healthcare back on to the employees prior to obamacare.

And I'm not pretending that time spent at the doctor (which I'm not sure is the best indicator of quality of care) wasn't already decreasing prior to obamacare.

There was what, between a 20 and 30% increase in total healthcare costs in the United States virtually overnight

Health insurance premiums for employer-sponsored family plans jumped a startling 9 percent from 2010 to 2011, and Republicans have blamed the federal health care law. But they exaggerate. The law — the bulk of which has yet to be implemented — has caused only about a 1 percent to 3 percent increase in premiums, according to several independent experts. The rest of the 9 percent rise is due to rising health care costs, as usual.

Gross premiums for most 2014 plans are likely to increase. In the 19 states, proposed gross premiums are increasing for 65 percent of all exchange renewal products (plans offered in 2014 that were re-filed for 2015). 3 In 2015, therefore, enrollees could see a median increase of 4 percent when they receive their renewal notifications. 4 However, the actual increase they pay could be less than half that amount, given that many people will have the option of switching to a lower-price plan.

Obamacare has been a failure for the vast majority of the population.     There have been success stories but, if 10 people take a drug and one becomes Superman while the other 9 die, that's not a success.