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Posted by tecwrg on 7/23/2015 9:58:00 AM (view original):
Leaving Obamacare in place provides a false sense of "Done!!  Don't have to worry about healthcare anymore.  On to the next thing."

The healthcare system is still broken.  We've just thrown trillions of dollars at it as a smokescreen.  And the left celebrates that as victory.

I'll amend this by saying the healthcare system is not just "still broken", but probably has been made worse by introducing more sources of profit (i.e. more insureds) into the system.
7/23/2015 10:24 AM
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Well, the problem is, you vote Republican and Republicans will never push for socialized medicine. Bernie Sanders might, though.
7/23/2015 10:32 AM
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Posted by bad_luck on 7/23/2015 10:32:00 AM (view original):
Well, the problem is, you vote Republican and Republicans will never push for socialized medicine. Bernie Sanders might, though.
I vote Republican?
7/23/2015 10:45 AM
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The government does a jam up job with the VA.   Can't think of any reason they wouldn't do just as well running all healthcare.
7/23/2015 10:53 AM
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I will be voting with my wallet like I always do.

smaller government (in particular federal government), lower taxes.
7/23/2015 11:28 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 7/23/2015 10:45:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 7/23/2015 10:32:00 AM (view original):
Well, the problem is, you vote Republican and Republicans will never push for socialized medicine. Bernie Sanders might, though.
I vote Republican?
Did you vote for Obama in 2012? Will you vote for Clinton in 2016?
7/23/2015 11:57 AM
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No, and probably not.

Does my votes for (or against) two specific candidates in two specific elections mean "I vote Republican" as a general characterization of how I vote?
7/23/2015 12:07 PM
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I would say that you come off as a conservative and, if you vote in national elections, I'd guess that you vote Republican at least the majority of the time, if not almost always.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Most people pick the party that most closely aligns with their own views and vote that way.

But if your view is that profits should be removed from healthcare (or at least limited), voting Republican is in opposition of that view.
7/23/2015 12:19 PM
tecwrg
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You seem to be content with the current implementation of healthcare reform.

Do you think it can be made better?

Do you think it WILL be made better?

7/23/2015 1:11 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 7/23/2015 1:11:00 PM (view original):
You seem to be content with the current implementation of healthcare reform.

Do you think it can be made better?

Do you think it WILL be made better?

Content or realistic?

I think the ACA is an improvement over the the pre-2010 way it was done. I also think the ACA is faaaar from perfect and it would have been better to do something similar to what you are suggesting (Medicare for all/Canadian model, etc.).

But that wasn't politically viable and the people pushing to eliminate the ACA are certainly not in favor of a more progressive system.

I think the best course is to make incremental changes to the ACA as we learn what works and what doesn't and try to get closer to socialized medicine.
7/23/2015 1:18 PM
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Do you think that will happen?  Or do you think it's more likely that an attitude of "Meh, good enough" will prevail?
7/23/2015 1:32 PM
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I think that will happen. I doubt we'll ever get all the way to socialized medicine.
7/23/2015 1:34 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 7/23/2015 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Do you think that will happen?  Or do you think it's more likely that an attitude of "Meh, good enough" will prevail?
7/23/2015 1:37 PM
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I disagree.

As long as the current implementation is in place, there will be a prevailing "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" attitude, and there will be little to no interest in making the MAJOR reforms that are needed to fix the system correctly.  The ONLY way to stay focused on the problem is to roll back the monstrosity that's been shoved down our throats as say "Well that's not the answer, let's try something else".  Provided that the something else is a top-down reform of the entire system, or at least heading in that direction.

Unlike you, I'm not going to accept complacency as an acceptable end.

7/23/2015 1:40 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 7/23/2015 1:42:00 PM (view original):
I disagree.

As long as the current implementation is in place, there will be a prevailing "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" attitude, and there will be little to no interest in making the MAJOR reforms that are needed to fix the system correctly.  The ONLY way to stay focused on the problem is to roll back the monstrosity that's been shoved down our throats as say "Well that's not the answer, let's try something else".  Provided that the something else is a top-down reform of the entire system, or at least heading in that direction.

Unlike you, I'm not going to accept complacency as an acceptable end.

Look realistically at the political landscape. If the ACA is ever repealed, would the replacement reforms be closer to what you want done than the ACA is now?

I don't think so.

The ACA is lowering health care costs: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-09-05/obamacare-effect-linked-to-lower-medical-cost-estimates
"Obamacare has been criticized by Republicans as costly and unsustainable. Now, four years after its arrival, the law’s mandated program cuts and the medical practices it encourages -- limiting unneeded procedures, and keeping people out of the hospital longer -- are cited by economists as key ingredients in trimming the nation’s medical bill. While the recession has had an influence on the cost slowdown, it doesn’t explain it all, according to policy analysts and the CBO."

No one is accepting complacency. I'm saying that it is easier to make incremental improvements instead of scrapping it and starting from scratch.
7/23/2015 1:45 PM
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