What the hell are you talking about? Out here near the tech sector capital of the world all kinds of people use their own servers for work e-mail, and nobody cares.

I'm hoping moy was only referring to those handling sensitive information but, with moy, who knows?

She gave our enemies all of our government secrets. Shouldn't she be charged with treason?

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Posted by bad_luck on 5/5/2016 10:08:00 AM (view original):
To be fair to Clinton (who should not have set up her own server), the classification system is ridiculous.

That is completely irrelevant. Hillary shouldn't (and doesn't) get a pass because you (or she) thinks the system is ridiculous. If you don't like the system, change it. But unless and until it's changed, you'd better damn well adhere to it or be prepared to face the consequences.

What I mean is that there is no one person (or one source) that determines what is and isn't classified. The State department might have X info and have no way of knowing that the DOD has classified it (or vice versa). If someone emails something to Clinton, there's no way for her to know it's classified unless they tell her it is.

If you're working in the inner circle of the White House, and you're receiving and forwarding/responding to emails that you may or may not know is highly classified, then that's all the more reason to confine your email usage to a secure server. Just to be on the side of caution.

Thanks for pointing out Hillary's **** poor judgement in that matter.

I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it out to be, but whatever. The GOP nominated Trump, so Clinton will be the next President.

For ****'s sake, of course it is as cut and dry as I'm making it out to be.

IF YOU'RE CONDUCTING OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT BUSINESS VIA EMAIL, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT ON A SECURED GOVERNMENT SERVER.

I get that you're all worked up at the prospect of President Hillary. But how can you almost completely dismiss an obvious lack of good judgement, or worse yet a blatant disregard of security, on something as basic as this?

Mental retardation?

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/5/2016 11:58:00 AM (view original):
Mental retardation?

It sure seems that way, doesn't it?

Posted by tecwrg on 5/5/2016 11:56:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 5/5/2016 10:08:00 AM (view original):
To be fair to Clinton (who should not have set up her own server), the classification system is ridiculous.

That is completely irrelevant. Hillary shouldn't (and doesn't) get a pass because you (or she) thinks the system is ridiculous. If you don't like the system, change it. But unless and until it's changed, you'd better damn well adhere to it or be prepared to face the consequences.

What I mean is that there is no one person (or one source) that determines what is and isn't classified. The State department might have X info and have no way of knowing that the DOD has classified it (or vice versa). If someone emails something to Clinton, there's no way for her to know it's classified unless they tell her it is.

If you're working in the inner circle of the White House, and you're receiving and forwarding/responding to emails that you may or may not know is highly classified, then that's all the more reason to confine your email usage to a secure server. Just to be on the side of caution.

Thanks for pointing out Hillary's **** poor judgement in that matter.

I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it out to be, but whatever. The GOP nominated Trump, so Clinton will be the next President.

For ****'s sake, of course it is as cut and dry as I'm making it out to be.

IF YOU'RE CONDUCTING OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT BUSINESS VIA EMAIL, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT ON A SECURED GOVERNMENT SERVER.

I get that you're all worked up at the prospect of President Hillary. But how can you almost completely dismiss an obvious lack of good judgement, or worse yet a blatant disregard of security, on something as basic as this?

It's a requirement and, yet, everyone ignores the requirement. How important could the requirement be? From Wapo:

"The analysis also showed that the practice of using non-secure email systems to send sensitive information was widespread at the department and elsewhere in government."

"For federal employees other than Clinton, nearly all of the sensitive email was sent using their less secure, day-to-day government accounts. Classified information is supposed to be exchanged only over a separate, more secure network."

EDIT: Also, it seems like employees are supposed to be able to figure out what info isn't classified and can be sent over their normal work emails and what info is classified and has to be sent through a special network. Good luck with that.

Posted by dahsdebater on 5/5/2016 11:51:00 AM (view original):
What the hell are you talking about? Out here near the tech sector capital of the world all kinds of people use their own servers for work e-mail, and nobody cares.

IBM, Microsoft, Google, Apple, HP, Amazon, Intel, Cisco, eBay.....

You're telling me you think it's OK for a customer service rep from these companies to respond to customers from their own personal server with their own personal email? You know it's clearly in the code of conduct to use company email only.

JPM, BoA, PNC....

You're telling me you think it's OK to discuss a person's bank accounts on personal servers?

Boeing, Northrop Grumman....

You're trying me you think it's OK to discuss prototypes over a personal server?

Come on now. Even small companies set up there own work email accounts for their employees and expect them to use that account for work purposes.

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Posted by dahsdebater on 5/5/2016 11:51:00 AM (view original):
What the hell are you talking about? Out here near the tech sector capital of the world all kinds of people use their own servers for work e-mail, and nobody cares.

IBM, Microsoft, Google, Apple, HP, Amazon, Intel, Cisco, eBay.....

You're telling me you think it's OK for a customer service rep from these companies to respond to customers from their own personal server with their own personal email? You know it's clearly in the code of conduct to use company email only.

JPM, BoA, PNC....

You're telling me you think it's OK to discuss a person's bank accounts on personal servers?

Boeing, Northrop Grumman....

You're trying me you think it's OK to discuss prototypes over a personal server?

Come on now. Even small companies set up there own work email accounts for their employees and expect them to use that account for work purposes.

I work for an insurance company. It's in our "Code of Conduct" that we have to review and sign every year, that all electronic (email, instant messages) company business is conducted ONLY using company computers/laptops through company servers because all electronic communication needs to be logged and archived.

[email protected] probably wouldn't qualify.

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Posted by bad_luck on 5/5/2016 10:08:00 AM (view original):
To be fair to Clinton (who should not have set up her own server), the classification system is ridiculous.

That is completely irrelevant. Hillary shouldn't (and doesn't) get a pass because you (or she) thinks the system is ridiculous. If you don't like the system, change it. But unless and until it's changed, you'd better damn well adhere to it or be prepared to face the consequences.

What I mean is that there is no one person (or one source) that determines what is and isn't classified. The State department might have X info and have no way of knowing that the DOD has classified it (or vice versa). If someone emails something to Clinton, there's no way for her to know it's classified unless they tell her it is.

If you're working in the inner circle of the White House, and you're receiving and forwarding/responding to emails that you may or may not know is highly classified, then that's all the more reason to confine your email usage to a secure server. Just to be on the side of caution.

Thanks for pointing out Hillary's **** poor judgement in that matter.

I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it out to be, but whatever. The GOP nominated Trump, so Clinton will be the next President.

For ****'s sake, of course it is as cut and dry as I'm making it out to be.

IF YOU'RE CONDUCTING OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT BUSINESS VIA EMAIL, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT ON A SECURED GOVERNMENT SERVER.

I get that you're all worked up at the prospect of President Hillary. But how can you almost completely dismiss an obvious lack of good judgement, or worse yet a blatant disregard of security, on something as basic as this?

It's a requirement and, yet, everyone ignores the requirement. How important could the requirement be? From Wapo:

"The analysis also showed that the practice of using non-secure email systems to send sensitive information was widespread at the department and elsewhere in government."

"For federal employees other than Clinton, nearly all of the sensitive email was sent using their less secure, day-to-day government accounts. Classified information is supposed to be exchanged only over a separate, more secure network."

EDIT: Also, it seems like employees are supposed to be able to figure out what info isn't classified and can be sent over their normal work emails and what info is classified and has to be sent through a special network. Good luck with that.

So because everybody else uses poor judgement or disregards best practices, she should be able to do it too?

That's like arguing that you should be able to join in a riot and loot yourself some free stuff because everybody else is doing it.

Good argument. Well done.

No, I'm saying how realistic is the requirement if everyone ignores it? There's no central classification system, there's no way to know for certain if something is classified, so it's impossible for employees to know if they are supposed to use their regular work email or the secure network.

Posted by bad_luck on 5/5/2016 12:22:00 PM (view original):
No, I'm saying how realistic is the requirement if everyone ignores it? There's no central classification system, there's no way to know for certain if something is classified, so it's impossible for employees to know if they are supposed to use their regular work email or the secure network.

....or their own personal server, apparently in Hillary's case.

I'm more concerned with the transparency issue than I am with the security issue. It's not like Clinton hired a dumbshit like moy to set the server up. I think we can reasonably assume the job was done by a professional.

Posted by The Taint on 5/5/2016 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Three of the last four SOS's have used their own servers.

You are mistaking setting up their own server rather than using the required work server with sending something to/from a personal email account. Powell and Rice didn't set up their own servers.