Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Is there something wrong with saying black lives matter?

Not at all.

Do you think there is something wrong with saying "all lives matter"?

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 4:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, that's the explanation I said we could use for the purpose of this discussion.

Are all lives being treated equally or is there a problem with a specific group inside that "all?"

Why would that be relevant?

Do you think that "All Lives Matter" is mutually exclusive with "Black Lives Matter"? In other words, if you believe in one does that mean you are (or should be) opposed to the other?

It's relevant because if there is a problem with one group, it makes sense to address the problems faced by that specific group.

Sure.

What does that have to do with "All Lives Matter"?

It dismisses the concerns brought up by black lives matter.

If someone says, "hey, there's a problem with the way the justice system treats blacks," it's counterproductive (at best) to respond with "all lives matter."

You take a phrase that is, without context, benign, and turn it into something that isn't benign.

Example:

Someone says, "the weather is great today."

Benign.

Your friend comes up to you and says, "I'm stoked you got to meet my new girlfriend last night. Isn't she great?"
You: "The weather is great today."

Not benign.

That's a horrible example, because the response is in no way related to the first comment. It's a non-sequitur.

Better example:

Your friend comes up to you and says "Mushroom and peppers pizza is delicious".
You respond "All pizza is delicious".

Have you dismissed mushroom and peppers pizza?

Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 9:37:00 PM (view original):
Moy, is Trump going to start on Clinton soon?

He does it everyday.

I suppose you aren't hearing it. Why do you think that is?

For days now I have heard reports involving the money for hostage deal Obama made while Crooked hillary refuses to give a press conferance.

Did you hear about that? I did. I didn't hear it on msnbc or cnn or abc or cbs or nbc or the new york times or anywhere the main stream media or the elite's with money hang out. 3 billionaires on the dole come out against TRUMP while WALL STREET puts all their money on Crooked hillary.

Did you know that? I guess you didn't hear about it. I did. It was all in the e-mails. The ones leaked about the media working with the DNC.

I don't know if you know this stuff but I do know you don't care. As long as you think your corrupted side is winning. In your little mind.

HEY MOY! When is the media going to start covering TRUMP honestly instead of pulling one line out of an unscripted 2 hour speech?

ANSWER: Never. The media is in the tank for hillary and the democrats. Welcome to 1933 Germany.

Posted by tecwrg on 8/4/2016 10:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Is there something wrong with saying black lives matter?

Not at all.

Do you think there is something wrong with saying "all lives matter"?

Not to interrupt your Retard Slap Fight, as I interrupt your RSF, do all lives matter?

I mostly don't give a **** about the drug-dealing, rap sheet as long as my arm dying. Am I RACIST??!!?!!?! What if he's a white boy from a privileged family? I still don't give a ****. non-RACIST!!!!! now?

Yeah, **** you PC *****.

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 4:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, that's the explanation I said we could use for the purpose of this discussion.

Are all lives being treated equally or is there a problem with a specific group inside that "all?"

Why would that be relevant?

Do you think that "All Lives Matter" is mutually exclusive with "Black Lives Matter"? In other words, if you believe in one does that mean you are (or should be) opposed to the other?

It's relevant because if there is a problem with one group, it makes sense to address the problems faced by that specific group.

And, no surprise here, you didn't respond to the rest of the post.

Do you think that "All Lives Matter" is mutually exclusive with "Black Lives Matter"? In other words, if you believe in one does that mean you are (or should be) opposed to the other?

Not mutually exclusive. Dismissive.

Obviously all lives matter. Everyone already agrees on that. But there's a problem with how blacks are treated. There isn't a problem with how everyone is treated.

True. Blacks are treated like **** by other blacks. 2400+ people shot this year in Chicago alone. Almost exclusively black on black violence. That's like one person getting shot every 2 hours in Chicago. BLM doesn't care about that.... But **** it, Laquan McDonald gets shot by a white cop and now they care.


Compare to Police-involved shootings in Chicago this year.... 14.

Thing is, if the shooters in the civilian on civilian crime are caught, they're brought to justice. Not always the case when it's the government killing black people.

If shooters in these black on black crimes were caught (which is rare) and brought to justice... We'd have more blacks being incarcerated and you'd be complaining how unjust the legal system is because there's an unfair number of black people being locked up. You'd probably suggest cops be reassigned out of Englewood (300 black on black shootings this year) and reasign them to Winnetka so they could start looking for some white shooters, even though no one has been shot in Winnetka (an affluent, primarily white neighborhood) in maybe 100 years.

Posted by The Taint on 8/5/2016 1:12:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Is there something wrong with saying black lives matter?

Not at all.

Do you think there is something wrong with saying "all lives matter"?

As a response to black lives matter? Yes.

Yes, it's a flippant response to a much bigger problem than "all lives matter". We all get that "all lives matter".....and there are zero people that disagree with that statement.....unless they're racist pieces of ****.


The problem with "all lives matter" is that there are certain "lives" that have mattered for the entirety of our country and there are "lives" that haven't and still don't. As humans, let's not pretend that's not the truth. Even to this day, there are a **** ton of people that don't believe that "all lives matter", because they don't give a **** about black lives.

Look at how the white dude who shot up the church in South Carolina was treated when he was captured and then look at how the black dude in Minnesota with a legal license to conceal carry was shot dead. Yeah, it's just two extreme examples...but those examples seem to happen fairly frequently in life.

You don't have to agree with the tactics that BLM are using but it's pretty hard to argue their point.

Yep, another "head's up my ***" dismissal of ALM.

Do you believe that those who are saying "All Lives Matter" are somehow ignorant of the issues that blacks are facing? That they think "nothing to see here, all is good"?

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Is there something wrong with saying black lives matter?

Not at all.

Do you think there is something wrong with saying "all lives matter"?

As a response to black lives matter? Yes.

Yes, it's a flippant response to a much bigger problem than "all lives matter". We all get that "all lives matter".....and there are zero people that disagree with that statement.....unless they're racist pieces of ****.


The problem with "all lives matter" is that there are certain "lives" that have mattered for the entirety of our country and there are "lives" that haven't and still don't. As humans, let's not pretend that's not the truth. Even to this day, there are a **** ton of people that don't believe that "all lives matter", because they don't give a **** about black lives.

Look at how the white dude who shot up the church in South Carolina was treated when he was captured and then look at how the black dude in Minnesota with a legal license to conceal carry was shot dead. Yeah, it's just two extreme examples...but those examples seem to happen fairly frequently in life.

You don't have to agree with the tactics that BLM are using but it's pretty hard to argue their point.

I just posted, well last night, that I don't give a **** about "all lives". I don't give a **** if they take Dylan Roof behind the courthouse and shoot him in the head. He's sort of white.

Am I a racist piece of ****?

Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 11:50:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Is there something wrong with saying black lives matter?

Not at all.

Do you think there is something wrong with saying "all lives matter"?

As a response to black lives matter? Yes.

Sounds like the problem is with you, then.

There is nothing wrong with ALM. It's the desired goal of racial equality. Dismissing ALM is just more liberal bullshit, fueled by the narrow lib mindset of "we're the only ones who can be right".

Posted by zimbabweguy on 8/4/2016 5:24:00 PM (view original):
I've been told by many normally politically engaged people that they don't plan on voting this election. In most elections I believe the majority of people who don't vote do so out of apathy, but I imagine this year we're going to see a record number of people, like you, who will abstain out of contempt for the choices.

Assuming a Hillary win I'm really curious to see what a post-Trump GOP looks like. Will the Ryan/Rubio/McConnell crowd go back to business as usual with their previous political agendas or will more republican leaders start embracing Trump's uneducated, white, good ol' boy base.

I think most republicans would love to vote for a moderate to slightly right leaning presidential candidate if he wasn't a **** up. So yeah, I think those guys would - like - to go back to the way it 'usually' is. But those guys have to start fighting back with the extreme parts of their party instead of pandering to them.

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 4:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, that's the explanation I said we could use for the purpose of this discussion.

Are all lives being treated equally or is there a problem with a specific group inside that "all?"

Why would that be relevant?

Do you think that "All Lives Matter" is mutually exclusive with "Black Lives Matter"? In other words, if you believe in one does that mean you are (or should be) opposed to the other?

It's relevant because if there is a problem with one group, it makes sense to address the problems faced by that specific group.

And, no surprise here, you didn't respond to the rest of the post.

Do you think that "All Lives Matter" is mutually exclusive with "Black Lives Matter"? In other words, if you believe in one does that mean you are (or should be) opposed to the other?

Not mutually exclusive. Dismissive.

Obviously all lives matter. Everyone already agrees on that. But there's a problem with how blacks are treated. There isn't a problem with how everyone is treated.

True. Blacks are treated like **** by other blacks. 2400+ people shot this year in Chicago alone. Almost exclusively black on black violence. That's like one person getting shot every 2 hours in Chicago. BLM doesn't care about that.... But **** it, Laquan McDonald gets shot by a white cop and now they care.


Compare to Police-involved shootings in Chicago this year.... 14.

Thing is, if the shooters in the civilian on civilian crime are caught, they're brought to justice. Not always the case when it's the government killing black people.

If shooters in these black on black crimes were caught (which is rare) and brought to justice... We'd have more blacks being incarcerated and you'd be complaining how unjust the legal system is because there's an unfair number of black people being locked up. You'd probably suggest cops be reassigned out of Englewood (300 black on black shootings this year) and reasign them to Winnetka so they could start looking for some white shooters, even though no one has been shot in Winnetka (an affluent, primarily white neighborhood) in maybe 100 years.

So Moy, serious question. What solutions do you have for the urban low-income black communities that are struggling?

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 4:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, that's the explanation I said we could use for the purpose of this discussion.

Are all lives being treated equally or is there a problem with a specific group inside that "all?"

Why would that be relevant?

Do you think that "All Lives Matter" is mutually exclusive with "Black Lives Matter"? In other words, if you believe in one does that mean you are (or should be) opposed to the other?

It's relevant because if there is a problem with one group, it makes sense to address the problems faced by that specific group.

And, no surprise here, you didn't respond to the rest of the post.

Do you think that "All Lives Matter" is mutually exclusive with "Black Lives Matter"? In other words, if you believe in one does that mean you are (or should be) opposed to the other?

Not mutually exclusive. Dismissive.

Obviously all lives matter. Everyone already agrees on that. But there's a problem with how blacks are treated. There isn't a problem with how everyone is treated.

True. Blacks are treated like **** by other blacks. 2400+ people shot this year in Chicago alone. Almost exclusively black on black violence. That's like one person getting shot every 2 hours in Chicago. BLM doesn't care about that.... But **** it, Laquan McDonald gets shot by a white cop and now they care.


Compare to Police-involved shootings in Chicago this year.... 14.

Thing is, if the shooters in the civilian on civilian crime are caught, they're brought to justice. Not always the case when it's the government killing black people.

If shooters in these black on black crimes were caught (which is rare) and brought to justice... We'd have more blacks being incarcerated and you'd be complaining how unjust the legal system is because there's an unfair number of black people being locked up. You'd probably suggest cops be reassigned out of Englewood (300 black on black shootings this year) and reasign them to Winnetka so they could start looking for some white shooters, even though no one has been shot in Winnetka (an affluent, primarily white neighborhood) in maybe 100 years.

So Moy, serious question. What solutions do you have for the urban low-income black communities that are struggling?

It's a complex answer I don't have time for right now.... But in short form it can only be accomplished if the black community, it's leaders, it's teachers, it's parents put as much energy as they do protesting police into fixing the schools, getting dealers locked up, and creating a culture of 'moving forward' towards success regardless of obstacles in the way.

But that's hard work.... It's easier to deflect and blame the police who happen to be the ONLY people in these communities trying to protect the honest to god good people that are too poor to get out.

Posted by wylie715 on 8/4/2016 6:08:00 PM (view original):
zimmy, what makes you think MikeT23 is still alive? You know he'd keep posting in these forums despite being dead. Nothing stops Mike from posting here!

Ha, yeah I see that! Glad to see you're still kicking too!

It's a complex answer I don't have time for right now.... But in short form it can only be accomplished if the black community, it's leaders, it's teachers, it's parents put as much energy as they do protesting police into fixing the schools, getting dealers locked up, and creating a culture of 'moving forward' towards success regardless of obstacles in the way.

But that's hard work.... It's easier to deflect and blame the police who happen to be the ONLY people in these communities trying to protect the honest to god good people that are too poor to get out.

AMEN MOY.