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Posted by rlahann on 11/3/2010 10:48:00 AM (view original):
I think you missed the point...anyone who's actually read Jefferson would never make that mistake.  It's that egregious in terms of how different it sounds.  It's not like a typo or something...it'd be like you getting confused and thinking the capital was New York City or something.  Or if I wrote, "If you liked it than you shoulda put a ring on it"~William Shakespeare.  

But, I mean, whatever...it's really not that big of a deal...it's not like he's the first congressman to misrepresent himself or his expertise.


1 What is anachronistic about it? What is the big clue that someone in 1780 didnt say it?

2 That quote is attributed to Jefferson all the time. Before the big deal over this if you googled it there would be something linking it to Jefferson.

3 How is this Constitutional? He didnt quote the Constitution. If he screws up the Third Amendment you can complain.

4 You cant say that it makes you crazy, and then say its no big deal. That is like saying something "rlahann" and then saying something sane later. People will call you on that.
11/3/2010 4:25 PM
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What up all. Haven't chimed in in a long while but have some observations.

Looks like the death of the GOP was greatly exaggerated.
Hoepfully we end up with a stalemete congress because they do their best work when they do nothing.
What is worse plagarizing or quoting out of context and wrongly attributing the quote? Are they the same thing?
The tea party are ignorant buffons that do not understand the last 30 years of history. Asking them to go back 200 is asking too much of spoiled rich kids that don't want to pay any taxes.
Does the tea party remember voodoo economics and starve the beast failed?
Do the dems remember that it was the fiscal responsibility of the late 80's and early to mid 90's that created the good times of the late 90's and early oughts?
11/4/2010 11:20 AM (edited)
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I don't think the death of the GOP was greatly exaggerated. Demographically, they are still dead (old white) men walking -- look at the Hispanic vote in the Reid/Angle race for the most striking example.

They got a bump because the party in power always takes a beating in the midterms when times are bad economically -- that's all. If it were anything more than that, they would have done more than just taken back the House.
11/4/2010 12:37 PM
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A better GOP candidate in NV would have made a huge difference but I would agree that between two strong candidates the hispanic vote gives an edge to the dems in NV, however they have to actually vote to make a difference. 

The problem with the tea party people is they are stupid not radical.

If the democratic demographics actually voted the GOP would be very different and probably stronger because socially conservative blacks and latinos would have a place where they have a voice. The southern psycho racist christian wing would cease being the dominant driver of the party.

 

11/4/2010 12:56 PM
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Yeah, but that would be a very different group than the modern GOP. The GOP, as it is, is a zombie party. They will either have to radically evolve, or become obsolete and get shoved aside for a different right-wing party.
11/4/2010 1:01 PM
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That would be a better GOP imho.  Until they start turning out regularly to vote the GOP will remain strong in its current form. The dems have long had demograpihic advantage but they don't turn out to vote.

I think these midterms reflect people saying "Oh my God if I'd known I was voting for this there is no way I would have voted for this guy" not just the soft economy. People thought they were voting for free healthcare when they voted for Obama. When they started finding out what it was going to cost them the regret settled in.

 

11/4/2010 2:37 PM
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Posted by antonsirius on 11/4/2010 1:01:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, but that would be a very different group than the modern GOP. The GOP, as it is, is a zombie party. They will either have to radically evolve, or become obsolete and get shoved aside for a different right-wing party.
You are a radical leftist telling the right wing what to do?

Should the Dems take advice from Ann Coulter?
11/4/2010 3:22 PM
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Again, IMO if it were buyer's remorse, Mitch McConnell would be Majority Leader and there'd be Republican governors in places like Oregon.

Also, and while this is as much a product of decades of gerrymandering as it is the current environment, the Dems that lost were, for the most part, the most conservative ones. Alan Grayson is pretty much the only prominent full-on liberal Dem who got the boot. Their losses mostly came from the Blue Dog wing of the caucus. That doesn't mesh with the storyline that people were upset by the leftward direction the country had taken.

I do find it a bit amusing, though, that the GOP campaign to brand Obama and the Dems as way more liberal than they actually were has resulted in a more liberal Dem party in Congress. Talk about your self-fulfilling prophecies.
11/4/2010 3:40 PM
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Posted by antonsirius on 11/4/2010 3:40:00 PM (view original):
Again, IMO if it were buyer's remorse, Mitch McConnell would be Majority Leader and there'd be Republican governors in places like Oregon.

Also, and while this is as much a product of decades of gerrymandering as it is the current environment, the Dems that lost were, for the most part, the most conservative ones. Alan Grayson is pretty much the only prominent full-on liberal Dem who got the boot. Their losses mostly came from the Blue Dog wing of the caucus. That doesn't mesh with the storyline that people were upset by the leftward direction the country had taken.

I do find it a bit amusing, though, that the GOP campaign to brand Obama and the Dems as way more liberal than they actually were has resulted in a more liberal Dem party in Congress. Talk about your self-fulfilling prophecies.
Actually it is buyers remorse.

In States where Obama is still popular Dems held senate seats. In states where the Health Care Bill is really unpoular Pubs won.

The Huge victories in 2008 made the republicans more Conservative. You always lose your weakest links.
11/4/2010 4:21 PM
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I thought the Tea Party were experts on the Founding Fathers?

This is nothing new.  The Christian Right have been twisting, misquoting, and flat-out lying about the words of Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and the rest of the Founders for decades now in an attempt to destroy the separation of church and state.  Should it come as any surprise that the Tea Party would do the same in their efforts to push their agenda?  They've been lying to and misinforming their lemmings for two years now.
11/5/2010 11:55 AM (edited)
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Wow!  I'm shocked at what I found on the CNN website today.  In a move that is completely out of step with the corporate media's usual strategy of allowing a conservative myth or lie to fester into something that might resemble fact (see: death panels), CNN has actually debunked the 2 billion dollar India trip lie that the cons have been circulating.  Congratulations CNN on actually taking a step, however brief it may be, into the realm of real journalism.
11/5/2010 1:18 PM
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Posted by lesliechow on 11/4/2010 3:43:00 PM (view original):

Shouldn't this be in a GOP thread vs. a Tea Party one?  Just curious.

I started this thread as a tea partier, not a Repug.  I vote repug more often because of economics and anti-incumbent.
11/5/2010 2:42 PM
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Posted by creilmann on 11/5/2010 11:55:00 AM (view original):
I thought the Tea Party were experts on the Founding Fathers?

This is nothing new.  The Christian Right have been twisting, misquoting, and flat-out lying about the words of Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and the rest of the Founders for decades now in an attempt to destroy the separation of church and state.  Should it come as any surprise that the Tea Party would do the same in their efforts to push their agenda?  They've been lying to and misinforming their lemmings for two years now.
Yes they have but the ACLU are far worse and do much more damage than the Christian crazies. The concept of seperation of church and state was to protect religion from the govt,  not govt from religion. Our laws are based on our judeo-christian values and denying that is denying the history of western civilization. The Ten commandments should not be viewed any differently than the code of hammurabi as the roots of western law when displayed in a court room.

Our strength is in welcoming all religion not denying it as the ACLU does when it sues over nativity scenes or the ten commandments. They are truly ******* on the the intent of the founding fathers when they do those things.
11/5/2010 4:00 PM
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So American Christains, 85% by the way, are intentionally violating a comandment to subvert the government? Really?

Is it really the end of the world to have a manger scene in then Town square? To allow children to embrace the Christian value system our nation was founded on.

And again this was a single line in a speech, mentioning a quote that is widely attributed to Jefferson.
11/5/2010 4:35 PM
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Jefferson, Franklin, Paine....all outspoken deists.  Others, like Washington, were deists as well but chose to keep their beliefs to themselves.  They believed that a God did exist, but they did not believe that the Bible was the word of that God.  I would imagine that they would oppose any government body promoting the ten commandments or the nativity since they believed the Bible was mostly fable and contradiction.  

You can accuse the ACLU of going overboard.  Personally, I think having the cross on the seal of Los Angeles is pretty minor compared to some of the other stuff in this country that the ACLU should be going after.  But they don't misquote the Founders in an attempt to justify their views.
11/5/2010 4:41 PM
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