Tea Party 4-18-11 Topic

Posted by creilmann on 11/8/2010 8:06:00 AM (view original):
Try paying attention Swamp.
I am paying attention.

You guys want to have a theoretical discussion about abstract issues and I want to talk about reality as it applies to actual people.
11/8/2010 1:51 PM
Posted by creilmann on 11/7/2010 9:27:00 AM (view original):
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/7/2010 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Anyone ever been to the Supreme Court building? Ever wonder why Moses(the chief lawgiver) is at the top of the roof gable? Ever wonder why the doors entering the Justice chamber has Roman numerals I-V on the left and VI- X on the right? It is because our justice system has its foundation on those principles. Probably because of our cultural heritage.

If you people believe alot of that nonsense that you are saying about Tea Party people, you really dont know much. You are talking about a group that is represented by every segment of society. I guess I understand it though. Many liberals and moderates are very bitter that all Americans dont have their ideology.
Yes, actually, a couple of times.  And yes, Moses does appear on the eastern exterior of the SC building...along with Solon and Confucius, a symbol of the great ancient lawgivers of the East.  He also appears inside the courtroom, again with Confucius and Solon, but also Muhammad, Napoleon, Louis the IX, John Marshall and many other great figures of law and justice.

And yes, the Roman numerals I-V and VI-X appear on the courtroom doors, but they are symbols of the Bill of Rights, not the Ten Commandments.  

But hey, thanks for reinforcing what I and most of the country already know about the Tea Party's habit of misinterpreting and flat out lying about our country's history.

I can understand how you would feel that way. My guide told me that there were no Biblical representations in the Supreme Court. He seemed to know the most intimate details of even the most obscure artwork. In respect to his representation of the carving on the courtroom door, I asked him why the Ten Amendments were depicted to be chiseled out of stone instead of written on parchment with the ends rolled?  He said something like, that is a very interesting question that he would have to look into. He answered in a way that sounded like it was rehearsed. 

I have also read years ago the the exact same carving was done for some famous Jewish cabinet member, by the same artist. However, this carving is historically identified as the Ten Commandments.

Of course there are many other significant figures of law depicted throughout the Supreme Court. But why is Moses the central figure on the eastern exterior?

You see, Tea Party supporters are no given to accept the most popular answer. We check it out. Others would be wise to do the same.

We understand enough about the current political environment that we do not expect affirmation from the left. So when we do not get affirmation, we are not swayed from our stand for Liberty and Freedom.

11/8/2010 2:16 PM (edited)
Wait, what?

Did you answer the part about Confucius, Solon, and Mohammed?
11/8/2010 2:43 PM
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/8/2010 2:16:00 PM:
We understand enough about the current political environment that we do not expect affirmation from the left. So when we do not get affirmation, we are not swayed from our stand for Liberty and Freedom.

I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone openly admit that they just ignore anyone who doesn't agree with them.
11/8/2010 2:59 PM
Posted by antonsirius on 11/8/2010 2:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/8/2010 2:16:00 PM:
We understand enough about the current political environment that we do not expect affirmation from the left. So when we do not get affirmation, we are not swayed from our stand for Liberty and Freedom.

I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone openly admit that they just ignore anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Im not sure I have ever seen anyone openly admit that they have very little understanding of the English language.
11/8/2010 4:04 PM
Posted by rlahann on 11/8/2010 2:43:00 PM (view original):
Wait, what?

Did you answer the part about Confucius, Solon, and Mohammed?

Okay??!!..

Absolutely, to be precise.

Did anyone answer the part about Moses being the central figure?

11/8/2010 4:08 PM
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/8/2010 4:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by antonsirius on 11/8/2010 2:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/8/2010 2:16:00 PM:
We understand enough about the current political environment that we do not expect affirmation from the left. So when we do not get affirmation, we are not swayed from our stand for Liberty and Freedom.

I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone openly admit that they just ignore anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Im not sure I have ever seen anyone openly admit that they have very little understanding of the English language.
"So when we do not get affirmation, we are not swayed from our stand for Liberty and Freedom."

Nope, it still means you don't let anyone who disagrees with you change your thinking, same as it did when I read it the first time. (Also, it shows that you share the same problem swamp does, that you think you speak for anyone but yourself. Odd thing for someone who claims to be all about individual freedom to do.)

You have admitted that your mind is closed, and that you are proud of it. I pity you a little bit right now, m_k. You've voluntarily stopped growing and learning. You're gonna miss out on a lot of cool stuff when the world leaves you behind.
11/8/2010 5:33 PM
As for the sculpture of Moses on the east side of the building, my_kids, when you were rejecting the most popular answer and checking it out for yourself, did you bother to find out what the sculptor himself says he meant by it?

“Law as an element of civilization was normally and naturally derived or inherited in this country from former civilizations. The “Eastern Pediment” of the Supreme Court Building suggests therefore the treatment of such fundamental laws and precepts as are derived from the East.

Moses, Confucius and Solon are chosen as representing three great civilizations and form the central group of this Pediment.


Religion had nothing to do with his choice of Moses at all.
11/8/2010 5:48 PM

From the Smithsonian Archive of American Art, a letter from the sculptor of the courtroom friezes to the architect of the building.  In it he describes how in one of the friezes, a "figure of law is resting on the tablet of the ten amendments to the Constitution known as the Bill of Rights".  The Bill of Rights are depicted on a stone tablet with Roman numerals.  Arguing that the tablets on the oak doors must be the Ten Commandments because they are on stone tablets, carries little weight when you read that one of the sculptors created similar stone tablets to represent the Bill of Rights inside the courtroom.

Moses is seated between Solon and Confucius, so sure, you can run with that as an example of the Ten Commandments' heavy influence on our judicial system if you're really that desperate.  But if Moses was meant to be featured so prominently, then why put him on the back (east) of the Supreme Court?  The grand entrance with the massive marble steps that everyone enters through is on the west side, facing the Capitol complex, National Mall and Washington Monument.  Surly a figure so central to our laws would be displayed on that side.
11/8/2010 6:03 PM
Getting your ***-kicked, Mykids.  I'd just mea culpa this one.

I'm really interested in a different question though...the Tea Party has been getting killed (and rightly so in my opinion) for it's "Keep your government hands off my healthcare" line while also staunchly opposing any reductions to Medicare.  Do you somehow resolve that or disown it as bad tea-partying?
11/8/2010 10:50 PM
Posted by rlahann on 11/8/2010 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Getting your ***-kicked, Mykids.  I'd just mea culpa this one.

I'm really interested in a different question though...the Tea Party has been getting killed (and rightly so in my opinion) for it's "Keep your government hands off my healthcare" line while also staunchly opposing any reductions to Medicare.  Do you somehow resolve that or disown it as bad tea-partying?
Really? That is an amusing comment. But expected from you and our President.
11/9/2010 12:43 PM
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/8/2010 2:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by creilmann on 11/7/2010 9:27:00 AM (view original):
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/7/2010 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Anyone ever been to the Supreme Court building? Ever wonder why Moses(the chief lawgiver) is at the top of the roof gable? Ever wonder why the doors entering the Justice chamber has Roman numerals I-V on the left and VI- X on the right? It is because our justice system has its foundation on those principles. Probably because of our cultural heritage.

If you people believe alot of that nonsense that you are saying about Tea Party people, you really dont know much. You are talking about a group that is represented by every segment of society. I guess I understand it though. Many liberals and moderates are very bitter that all Americans dont have their ideology.
Yes, actually, a couple of times.  And yes, Moses does appear on the eastern exterior of the SC building...along with Solon and Confucius, a symbol of the great ancient lawgivers of the East.  He also appears inside the courtroom, again with Confucius and Solon, but also Muhammad, Napoleon, Louis the IX, John Marshall and many other great figures of law and justice.

And yes, the Roman numerals I-V and VI-X appear on the courtroom doors, but they are symbols of the Bill of Rights, not the Ten Commandments.  

But hey, thanks for reinforcing what I and most of the country already know about the Tea Party's habit of misinterpreting and flat out lying about our country's history.

I can understand how you would feel that way. My guide told me that there were no Biblical representations in the Supreme Court. He seemed to know the most intimate details of even the most obscure artwork. In respect to his representation of the carving on the courtroom door, I asked him why the Ten Amendments were depicted to be chiseled out of stone instead of written on parchment with the ends rolled?  He said something like, that is a very interesting question that he would have to look into. He answered in a way that sounded like it was rehearsed. 

I have also read years ago the the exact same carving was done for some famous Jewish cabinet member, by the same artist. However, this carving is historically identified as the Ten Commandments.

Of course there are many other significant figures of law depicted throughout the Supreme Court. But why is Moses the central figure on the eastern exterior?

You see, Tea Party supporters are no given to accept the most popular answer. We check it out. Others would be wise to do the same.

We understand enough about the current political environment that we do not expect affirmation from the left. So when we do not get affirmation, we are not swayed from our stand for Liberty and Freedom.

What about this then? Your very biased.
11/9/2010 12:44 PM
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/8/2010 4:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by rlahann on 11/8/2010 2:43:00 PM (view original):
Wait, what?

Did you answer the part about Confucius, Solon, and Mohammed?

Okay??!!..

Absolutely, to be precise.

Did anyone answer the part about Moses being the central figure?

And this. Waking up yet?
11/9/2010 12:45 PM
Posted by antonsirius on 11/8/2010 5:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/8/2010 4:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by antonsirius on 11/8/2010 2:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/8/2010 2:16:00 PM:
We understand enough about the current political environment that we do not expect affirmation from the left. So when we do not get affirmation, we are not swayed from our stand for Liberty and Freedom.

I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone openly admit that they just ignore anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Im not sure I have ever seen anyone openly admit that they have very little understanding of the English language.
"So when we do not get affirmation, we are not swayed from our stand for Liberty and Freedom."

Nope, it still means you don't let anyone who disagrees with you change your thinking, same as it did when I read it the first time. (Also, it shows that you share the same problem swamp does, that you think you speak for anyone but yourself. Odd thing for someone who claims to be all about individual freedom to do.)

You have admitted that your mind is closed, and that you are proud of it. I pity you a little bit right now, m_k. You've voluntarily stopped growing and learning. You're gonna miss out on a lot of cool stuff when the world leaves you behind.
Calmly laughing. So my mind is closed? You words are full of stereotypical insinuations. Purposeful misrepresentation. Acting like you are above someone with all of your sincere pity..lol. Demeaning words that falsely project an image you educating me as you describe me as not growing or learning? All of these blind assumptions and high minded descriptions and you say that I am my mind is closed?

Take slow deep breaths. Read back over our little chat, and reason within yourself. You have in within you being. Its in all of us.
11/9/2010 12:56 PM
Four posts, and you managed to not respond at all to the actual facts creil and I presented to you about the sculptures on the Supreme Court building.

Thanks for proving my point. It's been nice talking to you, m_k.
11/9/2010 1:00 PM
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