Posted by winepimp on 12/2/2010 9:22:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 12/2/2010 9:14:00 AM (view original):
Nobody needs a bat or starting pitching in $?

not for what your wanting

Prospects is all.

Posted by winepimp on 12/2/2010 9:22:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 12/2/2010 9:14:00 AM (view original):
Nobody needs a bat or starting pitching in $?

not for what your wanting

It would be awesome if you could reunite with Ponson but I don't think he will accept a trade to you.

The pitchers do not have NTCs though.

I am glad you made that trade though.  Knocks my closest competition down a notch.  Thank goodness bob squad is not a top flight manager or he could really **** some **** up.

Bush is an interesting player.  He produces better numbers on average versus LHP as you would expect (.863 average OPS v. .791 average OPS) but he is way more consistent versus RHP (.180 Std Dev v. .036 Std Dev).

Posted by rlahann on 12/2/2010 1:57:00 AM (view original):
Dude, you're historically ignorant.  If that $2 gives you even a marginally more tolerable home-life, I mean, doesn't it totally pay for itself ten times over? Do it right, and that's a $2 blow-job.  That's just good value.

Then there's that you might actually want to make your wife happy cause it's just a nice thing to do...

don't mind rlahann, he is just herzin' out because his wife gave him another child.

busk - I disagree about the 'mild' upgrade at 1B.... I think its a huge upgrade at 1B, in particular with consistancy.

Brush - 91/98/73/60/61- 81 Dur/50 Health - Career Stats = .269 BA - 35ish HR - 110ish RBI - .833 OPS

Garcia - 90/96/82/90/78 - 96 Dur/ 71 Health - Career Stats = .304 BA - 40ish HR - 130ish RBI - .965 OPS


Brush was impossible to trade, believe me, I tried! - I was getting little back in value and wanted to upgrade there. He won't be missed.

McGuire will however be missed big time but as I said I have Philips who is a similar hitter/runner in the line-up. Franco will step in at 2b for the time-being (better defender than McGuire) but I'm looking to get a shortstop from AAA with a current rating of 90/90/90/90 in fielding to sure up the IF defense more permanantly. McGuire's $8.5 mil salary will not be missed.

I don't think this deal hurts my team as much as you make it sound.

I'm not sure how going from an .860 OPS to a .640 OPS hitter at a position makes more sense because you have another similar hitter somewhere else in the lineup.

busk, I blame you for the fact that I just had to read that...

Posted by moy23 on 12/2/2010 9:56:00 AM (view original):
busk - I disagree about the 'mild' upgrade at 1B.... I think its a huge upgrade at 1B, in particular with consistancy.

Brush - 91/98/73/60/61- 81 Dur/50 Health - Career Stats = .269 BA - 35ish HR - 110ish RBI - .833 OPS

Garcia - 90/96/82/90/78 - 96 Dur/ 71 Health - Career Stats = .304 BA - 40ish HR - 130ish RBI - .965 OPS


Brush was impossible to trade, believe me, I tried! - I was getting little back in value and wanted to upgrade there. He won't be missed.

McGuire will however be missed big time but as I said I have Philips who is a similar hitter/runner in the line-up. Franco will step in at 2b for the time-being (better defender than McGuire) but I'm looking to get a shortstop from AAA with a current rating of 90/90/90/90 in fielding to sure up the IF defense more permanantly. McGuire's $8.5 mil salary will not be missed.

I don't think this deal hurts my team as much as you make it sound.

You don't understand.  I was looking at the lineup and defense as two separate pieces, both of which were hurt dramatically (depending on the decision made).  In the lineup portion, McGuire is replaced by Garcia, which is a mild difference.  Bush is replaced by whoever steps into his place.  Garcia is slightly > than McGuire offensively, whoever you put in the lineup to fill in Bush's spot is significantly <.  It sounds like that person is Franco and he is way, way worse.  Starting Franco eases the blow on defense but your projected average runs scored per game in an optimized lineup (based on career numbers) go from 5.446 to 5.431 (or 24 runs over 162 games).

Posted by AlCheez on 12/2/2010 10:05:00 AM (view original):
I'm not sure how going from an .860 OPS to a .640 OPS hitter at a position makes more sense because you have another similar hitter somewhere else in the lineup.

busk, I blame you for the fact that I just had to read that...

Are you referring to McGuire - then yes - I downgraded there. No arguement.


As far as making sense, that was only part of the reason - mcguire's talent was being wasted hitting 5th and/or 6th in the line-up. I couldn't find a way to get him more ABs since Philips and Mesa locked up the 1 and 2 spots. Hartman and Brush the 3 and 4 spots... and I wanted to get Olmeda in the 5 spot. Also - If I am to boost training/med to 18/14 and re-sign Mesa and Tessmer next season I needed to dump some long-term commitments off.

basically I traded McGuire and cap space for Garcia, imo.

Posted by AlCheez on 12/2/2010 10:05:00 AM (view original):
I'm not sure how going from an .860 OPS to a .640 OPS hitter at a position makes more sense because you have another similar hitter somewhere else in the lineup.

busk, I blame you for the fact that I just had to read that...

Sorry...  I just can't go around letting people be clueless.  It is a curse.

Posted by moy23 on 12/2/2010 10:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by AlCheez on 12/2/2010 10:05:00 AM (view original):
I'm not sure how going from an .860 OPS to a .640 OPS hitter at a position makes more sense because you have another similar hitter somewhere else in the lineup.

busk, I blame you for the fact that I just had to read that...

Are you referring to McGuire - then yes - I downgraded there. No arguement.


As far as making sense, that was only part of the reason - mcguire's talent was being wasted hitting 5th and/or 6th in the line-up. I couldn't find a way to get him more ABs since Philips and Mesa locked up the 1 and 2 spots. Hartman and Brush the 3 and 4 spots... and I wanted to get Olmeda in the 5 spot. Also - If I am to boost training/med to 18/14 and re-sign Mesa and Tessmer next season I needed to dump some long-term commitments off.

basically I traded McGuire and cap space for Garcia, imo.

Cap space is one deal...  but that just all stems from the fact that you don't know how to manage money or a team.

As far as your lineup, that is absurdly stupid.  First of all, him batting 5th or 6th means you have a deep lineup, which is a good thing.  Secondly, you would have been better off with an order of Phillips, Hartman, Mesa, McGuire, Bush, Jimenez, Olmeda, Wright, Tessmer if you go strictly based on their career numbers (although Olmeda's career numbers are fucked because he was rushed up last season).  The point is, where you chose to put McGuire in the lineup is not a reason to trade him.

Posted by robusk on 12/2/2010 9:32:00 AM (view original):
I am glad you made that trade though.  Knocks my closest competition down a notch.  Thank goodness bob squad is not a top flight manager or he could really **** some **** up.

Just wait to see if he actually pulls the trigger on our Louis L negotiations.

Exactly. Having a guy batting 5/6 isn't a waste of his talent assuming said talents include... hitting. If he's a speed guy, it's not the best utilization of that particular talent, but replacing a guy who can hit with a guy who can't just because you can't bat the guy who can hit high enough in the lineup?

Stick with the cap space justification.

Moy added a premier hitter, but gave up a few guys who were honestly only a tier below. I like Garcia a lot and he'll have some huge power numbers, but the drop in talent overall for moy's team is more noticeable now.

I also wonder what the point of having that rotation is if you don't have even average fielding behind it.

Posted by r0b0t on 12/2/2010 10:26:00 AM (view original):
Moy added a premier hitter, but gave up a few guys who were honestly only a tier below. I like Garcia a lot and he'll have some huge power numbers, but the drop in talent overall for moy's team is more noticeable now.

I also wonder what the point of having that rotation is if you don't have even average fielding behind it.

Well, if he is putting a SS at 2B, he will have decent enough fielding.

He is still an idiot though.  His team is built to win now and the way he build his teams and budgets pretty much ensure that they won't be too viable down the road (unless he gets some lucky breaks)...  so why sacrifice so much now?