Posted by creilmann on 1/12/2011 10:00:00 AM (view original):
I never provided data, just facts about what the state has done to create today's suburban landscape. There is no gap in the info I provided and my point. I even summed it up quite nicely for you at the end. I addressed your issue with intent earlier. Others have read it and seem to understand my points, whether they agree or not is another story. The also seem to agree that you have not been able to give any real counterpoints. I understand that it must be frustrating for a guy who preaches against government intervention and regulation in the market so much, to have somebody show him how heavily subsidized his way of life is. Or maybe it's like I said earlier, you already realize this but are a gigantic hypocrite who secretly doesn't mind one bit about government intervention in the market as long as it benefits him.
Regardless of the reason, your arguments are so feeble that it's just not worth carrying on with the conversation.
You are using a simple tactic. More irrelevant data. And by the way facts and data can be used interchangeably for this discussion. The fact that you needed to make a point about it proves you are trying to spread out a simple issue.
All you ever proved is that the government did things that helped people who may or may not be in the suburbs. You kept proving that over and over again.
Your original post claimed that the suburbs could not and would not exist if not for Government action. You claimed government action that caused a rush to the suburbs.
All of this was never proved by you.
The main points of people wanted to move to the suburbs and choose to use their tax breaks their was ignored.
You couldnt define suburbs.
You kept claiming a zoning issue, which fell apart from the simple logic of the people who were being zoned were picking the zoners.
You used roads as an issue. Roads always went every where. The Interstates always went through low desnity areas, that was kind of the point. And again the people setting up the local roads were elected by the people who were in the suburbs.
You tried to twist together a complex conspiracy and you dumped tons of "Facts" on the debate that were not relevant. You were trying to push an old left wing story that no one was buying.
I feel we will never acheive an understanding on this so we must agree to disagree. Again as always I enjoy debating you.