Another Tragedy Caused by an Armed Citizen Topic

trutv............The National Enquirer of cable!               swamp......you will fall for anything!
2/14/2011 12:14 PM
Wiki and TruTV?   Is swamphawk known as a prankster?
2/14/2011 12:33 PM
He is just funny without trying........his one talent. To bad he does not realize it.
2/14/2011 12:47 PM

Anyhow, here's what I remember(not totally accurate either):
Ex-military sniper in a tower with military-quality arsenal. 
The general public running for their lives.
Police officers getting gunned down while attempting to reach the tower because they didn't have the firepower to kill him from afar.

What apparently happened:
He was an ex-marine who could shoot very accurately but not a sniper.   He was using equipment bought from a regular store.
The general public ran for their lives.
Police officer were gunned down while attempting to reach the tower but it was because they couldn't get a clean shot from the air or the ground.

If he has been on the ground or a story or two up, I could see Joe Cowboy taking a few shots at him before the police arrived.   However, virtually no one could figure out where he was firing from so there was no one to shoot.   Anyone with any knowledge of firearms knows it's pointless to fire a handgun, and hope to hit anything, from a hundred yards away.  It could be distracting but you'd have to expose yourself to take the shot and he's got a long-range rifle and a scope.  You poke your head up to empty your six shooter and you sit back down without a head.  Also, once the cops arrive, they aren't tolerating random shooters.  There's a lot of confusion and, as far as anyone knows, the sniper isn't working alone.   Firing off a shot could be opening the door for a cop to bury you.   In short, your memorized version makes no sense.

2/14/2011 12:54 PM
Trutv is the old Court TV.

I am pretty sure you just made up and attack against them because I mentioned them.
2/14/2011 1:39 PM
Yo, it's called freaking "TruTV".  Even its self-selected branding says, "We're full of ****."
2/14/2011 1:49 PM
Its actual motto is "Not Reality, Actuality"

Means it isnt a "Reality" show, it is about what actually happened.

2/14/2011 1:54 PM
From your favorite source about TruTV's signature show:

Operation Repo is an American television program that depicts the world of car repossession with a team of professionals who portray repossessions from California's San Fernando Valley.[5] Similar to another truTV show, Southern Fried Stings, the series is filmed in a cinema verité style but consists of scripted and dramatized reenactments performed by actors. The show is filmed by recreating scenes which show the cast conducting repossession of automobiles for finance companies. In the show they also perform repossession of other exotic and strange items such as luxury boats, planes, limousines, ATVs, Zambonis, tow trucks, expensive bicycles, hot air balloons and tanning beds.[6]

2/14/2011 1:57 PM
Oh no, you are NOT taking this zamboni!
2/14/2011 2:06 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 2/14/2011 1:54:00 PM (view original):
Its actual motto is "Not Reality, Actuality"

Means it isnt a "Reality" show, it is about what actually happened.

No such actuality exists
2/14/2011 3:05 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/14/2011 12:54:00 PM (view original):

Anyhow, here's what I remember(not totally accurate either):
Ex-military sniper in a tower with military-quality arsenal. 
The general public running for their lives.
Police officers getting gunned down while attempting to reach the tower because they didn't have the firepower to kill him from afar.

What apparently happened:
He was an ex-marine who could shoot very accurately but not a sniper.   He was using equipment bought from a regular store.
The general public ran for their lives.
Police officer were gunned down while attempting to reach the tower but it was because they couldn't get a clean shot from the air or the ground.

If he has been on the ground or a story or two up, I could see Joe Cowboy taking a few shots at him before the police arrived.   However, virtually no one could figure out where he was firing from so there was no one to shoot.   Anyone with any knowledge of firearms knows it's pointless to fire a handgun, and hope to hit anything, from a hundred yards away.  It could be distracting but you'd have to expose yourself to take the shot and he's got a long-range rifle and a scope.  You poke your head up to empty your six shooter and you sit back down without a head.  Also, once the cops arrive, they aren't tolerating random shooters.  There's a lot of confusion and, as far as anyone knows, the sniper isn't working alone.   Firing off a shot could be opening the door for a cop to bury you.   In short, your memorized version makes no sense.

Yet this is the version I read many times. The version that I produced 2 documents supporting. The version was supported by a made for TV movie.

People on the ground using personal weapons kept him pinned down.

The story continued that the fact that the police couldnt do anything to him led to the creation of SWAT forces. I had heard this story many times.

I am looking for more support. I reject the single Time article.
2/14/2011 5:10 PM

Citizens keeping him pinned doesn't make sense from a self-preservation stand point(or a law enforcement standpoint).     Your sources are silly.  So is saying a made for TV movie supported it. 

And, since I assume you're a handgun afficianado, you know what I said was true.   Whitman was 270 feet, more or less, in the air.   Handguns are pretty much useless at that distance.   Even a crazy cowboy wouldn't risk getting sniped to fire off a few pointless shots.

2/14/2011 5:28 PM
The citizens on the ground had rifles.

So multiple people saying this happened. And the movie made about the event shows it just as I always remembered it being told.

I am not saying I am right. I am only saying I dont think I am wrong. People getting shot in the streets and civilians shooting back. Sounds realistic to me. Not everyone, or even most, but enough to make it plausible.

Again this was something I grew up believing. What if you were told that at the Battle of the Bulge the story of Germans dressed like Americans never happened? And someone produced a story that implied it never happened.

Again if this turns out to be untrue this is a serious Twilight Zone moment for me.
2/14/2011 7:16 PM
OK, examine reality for a moment.

People driving around, because I'm sure you're not implying that people walking the streets had a rifle in hand, stopped, got out and opened fire while people around them were dropping like flies.    Does that really sound like something that would happen?

Now, the police are arriving.  Hordes of police.   People are being gunned down in the street.  Several people, not all or most but several people, are firing off shots with rifles.   And the police ignore them, nay, the police encourage them to keep firing.   Does that really sound like something that would happen?
2/14/2011 8:46 PM
Lets play...

A sniper is shooting people from a tower. There are no police around. You have a gun in your car. You and a few other "good old boys" decide to stand tall.

This isnt Current NYC, this is Texas in the 60s!

And again this is the story I always heard. It never struck  me as odd. It made perfect sense.

Another support piece. The 1975 movie about the incident. IMDB lists a technical error, that one of the officers that killed him wasnt portrayed properly. Didnt make any mention of any other problems. The movie makes a big deal out of the citizens. No mention that this is made up.

I am standing by my version of history. Wiki, Trutv and IMDB vs Time!
2/15/2011 2:37 AM
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