GOP psychos obsessed with Planned Parenthood Topic

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Only a total simpleton would apply that logic to something as regulated and complex as federal funding.

The fact is irrefutable - ZERO federal dollars pay for abortions, period. It's the law of the land, and you can be sure that if PP was violating that law, they wouldn't be paying for their crime.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your fifth grade logic, lol!

4/12/2011 3:18 PM
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IOW, let's say PP has 10 dollars.  And they're waiting on 5 dollars from Uncle Sam.

7 dollars are in the "NOT FOR ABORTION" bank.   3 dollars are in "ABORTION" bank.    They need 5 dollars in the "ABORTION" bank to keep funding abortions.  The government's 5 dollars comes in.   Do you think they'd transfer 2 dollars from the "NOT FOR ABORTION" account while depositing the 5 dollars from the government into the "NOT FOR ABORTION" bank?
4/12/2011 3:20 PM
tedco
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Of course they wouldn't. That would be against the law and would risk the essential funding they need for the other 97% of what they do.

Why is this concept so difficult for you people to understand?


4/12/2011 3:21 PM
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Posted by silentpadna on 4/12/2011 2:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by antonsirius on 4/12/2011 1:58:00 PM (view original):
If you're defining a fetus as a human being, entitled to all the rights of a human being, then you're faced with an impossible moral dilemma: either you have to deny the fetus its rights, or you have to deny the mother her rights.

I can understand the impulse to protect the one in that equation that can't speak for itself, but I can't share it. I know the mother is a human being; I'm not as sure about the fetus. So I have to side with protecting her actual rights, rather than the theoretical rights of the fetus.
What is it that makes you know the mother is a human being?  And what standard do you apply to her that you cannot apply to the fetus?

I don't define the fetus as a human being.  Science does.  Draw blood or any living tissue from a fetus at any single point in the process and what kind of DNA is it?  Is it living?  Can you differentiate that kind of DNA from the mother's kind of DNA?

If you're defining humanity as beginning at the point of conception - which you were - then science does not at all "define" a zygote or embryo as a human being, any more than a sperm or egg are "defined" as human beings.

But I'm talking about the moral argument. A fetal nervous system isn't developed enough to feel pain until the late second or even third trimester, so you can't make a basic Utilitarian argument against abortion until that point in its development. As for Kant, well, he might be against completely voluntary abortions but in favor of those in the extreme cases (rape, incest, health of the mother endangered), but the Categorical Imperative can be a pretty subjective tool.

Basically put, I have yet to see a moral argument against abortion that's as strong as the moral argument against restricting arbortion.
4/12/2011 3:21 PM
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tedco, I'm not sure if you're stupid, don't understand basic logic, fail to grasp accounting or just don't recognize how the world works.

Money is money.   They will find a way to apply it in order to meet all federal regulations but there's no way anyone with a semi-functional brain believes that the money from the government plays no part in funding abortions.  

4/12/2011 3:22 PM
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Posted by tedco on 4/12/2011 3:21:00 PM (view original):
Of course they wouldn't. That would be against the law and would risk the essential funding they need for the other 97% of what they do.

Why is this concept so difficult for you people to understand?


He understands it full well, he's just being a dick. ignore him.
4/12/2011 3:24 PM
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Only a paranoid conspiracy-minded fool would believe any such thing. Especially since there is no evidence of anything of the sort.

You can be sure every federal dollar they receive is accounted for and open to public scrutiny.


4/12/2011 3:24 PM
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Money is money.   They will find a way to apply it in order to meet all federal regulations but there's no way anyone with a semi-functional brain believes that the money from the government plays no part in funding abortions.  
4/12/2011 3:26 PM
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No, only people with virtually non-functional brains can be that delusional about irrefutable, cold, hard facts.

On the other hand, maybe you're like that idiot John Kyle, and your comments are not meant to be taken as factual.


4/12/2011 3:36 PM
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Money is money.   They will find a way to apply it in order to meet all federal regulations but there's no way anyone with a semi-functional brain believes that the money from the government plays no part in funding abortions.  
4/12/2011 3:41 PM
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And your evidence is,... what, exactly?

Oh that's right, you don't believe in evidence. I guess you just "go with yer gut", lol!


4/12/2011 3:42 PM
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Posted by The Taint on 4/12/2011 2:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 4/12/2011 1:23:00 PM (view original):
Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved a million lives by preventing the need for an invasion of Japan.

Pure opinion there.  Eisenhower, MacArthur, Nimitz, and Leahy disagree with that. 

That isnt accurate. There was a debate over how many people would be killed and if we could win with a blockade and bombing. There is no doubt that an invasion would cause greater harm than the bombs.

Okinawa proved we needed an invasion or the Bomb, because Japan was not giving up.
4/12/2011 5:44 PM
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Posted by tedco on 4/12/2011 3:18:00 PM (view original):
Only a total simpleton would apply that logic to something as regulated and complex as federal funding.

The fact is irrefutable - ZERO federal dollars pay for abortions, period. It's the law of the land, and you can be sure that if PP was violating that law, they wouldn't be paying for their crime.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your fifth grade logic, lol!

This only works on paper. The fact is that Federal Money keeps the place open, and Abortions are provided there. How can you draw a line through money?

It is just an accouting juggle.

Would we be ok with Federal funding for a group that did a bunch of wonderful things, and 3% supported the KKK?
4/12/2011 5:47 PM
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What you right-wing nutjobs always seem to forget is that abortion is a perfectly legal medical procedure. PP or anyone else can do any thing they damn well please within the law. Get the **** over it and mind your own god damned business already.

Bottom line is it is illegal to use federal funds for abortions, and PP does not use a single penny of it for that. Until they do, the abortions they do provide are completely irrelevant to any discussion of federal funding.

4/12/2011 6:33 PM
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Dumb.  You're just plain dumb.   Take a course in accounting when you're old enough. 
4/12/2011 6:40 PM
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