Tea Party 4-18-11 Topic

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First, I have to disagree with Anton.  While the two graphs are different in what they are proving, the measurement of retail square footage in the US does differ, which is what Swamp is referring to.  That being said, Swamp is still a moron.  

While the two graphs give different data on square footage, which is pointed out by the author, the results still suggest that retail square footage per capita is extremely high in the US, which in turn, strongly supports the whole point of the article, which Swamp of course misses.  

As for the sources...the first graph is from a book from the Institute For Local Self Reliance, an organization that has been in existence for 40 years and has done extensive research on the topic.  The second one is from a real estate brokerage and consulting firm.  I would consider that a source worth of consideration when the topic is retail square footage.

But Swamp, if you have contradictory information on this topic, I'd be happy to look at it.
4/16/2011 3:23 PM
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My understanding was that the first graph includes empty storefronts, abandoned malls etc. - i.e. everything zoned for retail in the US, whether it's actually in business or not -- while the second graph does not and limits itself to "active" retail business, for lack of a better term.

"This number [from the first chart] includes not only the underutilized retail square-footage in older neighborhoods, but also the speculative, overvalued glut of strip malls and big-box stores of suburbia. The ‘dead mall’ has been a familiar sight across the country for a while now. Dead subdivisions are now common in suburban areas hardest hit by the housing crisis."

That could just be an assumption on my part. But my point was simply that just because the two graphs didn't show the same number, it doesn't mean they can be dismissed out of hand which is what the liar was trying to do, as he does with all facts and figures that don't mesh with his world view.
4/16/2011 6:26 PM
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Your latest obscenely racist Tea Party member: Marilyn Davenport. This of course is not to suggest in any way that the Tea Party movement as a whole is racist, or that it is predominantly populated by racists, or that it attracts a disproportionate number of racists. Plus I'm sure the lamestream media is covering up dozens of similar emails by members of Code Pink, the DNC and George Soros' inner circle.

Did I miss any of your bullshit talking points on this one, swamp?
4/17/2011 12:38 AM
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Posted by antonsirius on 4/17/2011 12:38:00 AM (view original):
Your latest obscenely racist Tea Party member: Marilyn Davenport. This of course is not to suggest in any way that the Tea Party movement as a whole is racist, or that it is predominantly populated by racists, or that it attracts a disproportionate number of racists. Plus I'm sure the lamestream media is covering up dozens of similar emails by members of Code Pink, the DNC and George Soros' inner circle.

Did I miss any of your bullshit talking points on this one, swamp?
This is what the left has come to. They lost an election based on beliefs, so now they need to examine the joke pictures that are sent between friends to see if they might be racist?

It is really sad that the defender of proper debate will always accuse a Conservative of Racism. This was a joke.

And the fact is that liberals make fun of Conservatives all the time. The only problem is stereotyping southerners isnt considered offensive, but sterotyping blacks is.

So you keep seeing racists under the bed, and we will keep talking about smaller government and lower taxes and your kind will become a memory of the past!
4/17/2011 4:05 PM
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Yes, liar, it was a joke. A horribly racist joke.

**** off.
4/17/2011 4:08 PM
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This is not teh Pit.  Please stop swearing. 
4/18/2011 11:40 AM
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I am currently at the rally. It is very interesting
that the liberals that crashed the rally are allying
with the anarchists. Way to go union thugs.
4/18/2011 4:30 PM
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Posted by antonsirius on 4/17/2011 4:08:00 PM (view original):
Yes, liar, it was a joke. A horribly racist joke.

**** off.
No it was not a horribly racist joke. There was no comment that would lead anyone to believe it was race based. Monkeys are humorous without any racial overtones.

Even if there was racial intent, which is not clear, this was mild at best.

Do you really believe that someone who sends this hates the black race?

And again making jokes about southerners being stupid inbred hicks is ok?
4/18/2011 5:22 PM
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Posted by swamphawk22 on 4/18/2011 5:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by antonsirius on 4/17/2011 4:08:00 PM (view original):
Yes, liar, it was a joke. A horribly racist joke.

**** off.
No it was not a horribly racist joke. There was no comment that would lead anyone to believe it was race based. Monkeys are humorous without any racial overtones.

Even if there was racial intent, which is not clear, this was mild at best.

Do you really believe that someone who sends this hates the black race?

And again making jokes about southerners being stupid inbred hicks is ok?
swamp! How you can NOT see this as an outrageous racist piece of crap is a clear indication that your ignorance is beyond any help!
4/18/2011 5:41 PM
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It just shows me that you dislike the Tea Party so anythingthey do is magnified X10 in your mind. They make you furious by there very existance, so anything that they do that is marginally questionable is an outrage.

Obama is black. Some of the jokes about him may involve race. This isnt a racist thing. It is making jokes about your enemies. Would we flip out as much as Rudy in a pinstripe suit?
4/18/2011 6:31 PM
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Posted by swamphawk22 on 4/18/2011 6:31:00 PM (view original):
It just shows me that you dislike the Tea Party so anythingthey do is magnified X10 in your mind. They make you furious by there very existance, so anything that they do that is marginally questionable is an outrage.

Obama is black. Some of the jokes about him may involve race. This isnt a racist thing. It is making jokes about your enemies. Would we flip out as much as Rudy in a pinstripe suit?
CLEARLY YOU ARE A RACIST OR YOU WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THE TOTAL LACK OF CLASS SHOWN BY THIS WHOLE THING!
4/18/2011 7:05 PM
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I am not saying it is classy or cool or anything.

I am saying it isnt a horrible racist act. It does not show hatred of anything other than Obama.
4/18/2011 7:35 PM
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Posted by raucous on 4/18/2011 11:40:00 AM (view original):
This is not teh Pit.  Please stop swearing. 
swamp constantly ******* on the truth is more offensive than my language choices. But feel free to block me or report me if you don't like them.
4/18/2011 9:11 PM
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Posted by swamphawk22 on 4/18/2011 5:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by antonsirius on 4/17/2011 4:08:00 PM (view original):
Yes, liar, it was a joke. A horribly racist joke.

**** off.
No it was not a horribly racist joke. There was no comment that would lead anyone to believe it was race based. Monkeys are humorous without any racial overtones.

Even if there was racial intent, which is not clear, this was mild at best.

Do you really believe that someone who sends this hates the black race?

And again making jokes about southerners being stupid inbred hicks is ok?
Yes, it was a horribly racist joke, liar. There is a long and rich history in America of comparing black people to monkeys as a way to dehumanize them, you ignorant ****.

I don't give a **** whether she sent that picture out of hatred or ignorance. It was vile, and people who do vile things - like send racist emails or lie constantly - should have their disgusting behavior tattooed on their ******* foreheads until, at the very least, they show genuine repentance.
4/18/2011 9:17 PM
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I just got back from the tea party rally (and the yearly viewing of Life of Brian during Lent).  Their message is pretty clear.

It doesn't matter who you vote for in November.  It matters who you vote for in the primaries.  Make sure that the GWB/McCain/Palin/Dole/Romney type does not win. 
4/19/2011 12:19 AM
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