So sex for money is human trafficking? Even if the woman wants to do it and the man wants to do it?

To quote Amigo Montoya..."You know you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means".

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/24/2011 5:39:00 PM (view original):
Trafficking of human flesh.   Do you disagree?  

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/24/2011 8:50:00 AM (view original):
First, I'd like to say that you know I'm right when swampy says "Great points Anton."   If you want to wave the white flag, I'll understand.

1.  If selling your body for the sexual pleasure of others isn't the trafficking of human flesh, I don't know what is.  If you don't agree, I'm not going to be able to convince you so I'll just let that point remain as is.   As for 16 year olds become legal prostitutes, I don't think you've really thought it through.  First, 16 year olds make really stupid, spur of the moment decisions.  Allowing them to sell sex might be the worst idea I've ran across on these boards.  I'll refer back to the mental aspect of being a whore.  I find it hard to believe that some people don't regret that decision.   Second, your point was to increase tax revenue.  Now, not only are we allowing the young to make stupid decisions, we're encouraging it and profiting from it.  As a country.   Somehow that seems wrong.   If you don't agree, I can't help you.   Lastly, I'm not lobbying for change.  If WV thinks 16 is old enough to figure out if they want to **** a 40 y/o, WV can do what they want.   I'm not a moralist pushing my beliefs on everyone.   I'm just going with what's legal now and asking "Why change it?"

2.  No, we're not.  You said "The public would be safer with legalized prostitution."   I don't think so.  Desensitizing us to one "vice" doesn't mean we stop there.  We're paying for a product.  When we don't get what we want, we react.  Someone prone to react violently will react violently because "she's just a whore."

As for a change of culture, it would be.   No way for me to say if it would be for better or worse.  I believe it would be for the worse but I could be wrong.   But I believe how we view women would change.  And I don't think it would be for the better.  

Again, I don't see any benefit to changing the current laws.  And you've certainly not made a convincing argument that it would be a good thing.

So you think that the public would be just as safe with legalized murder but not as safe with legalized prostitution?

Posted by antonsirius on 6/24/2011 5:47:00 PM (view original):
Mike, you're the one who doesn't know what human trafficking is. It's a far more awful thing than prostitution. I'd say "go look it up" but I'm pretty sure you won't bother. Feel free to keep lookng ignorant though.

True, 16-year-olds do stupid things. So do 26-year-olds, 36-year-olds etc. I don't see your point. If a state has declared that a 16-year-old is an adult, they are in fact free to do all kinds of stupid things. There's also been no discussion so far of the specific form legalized prostitution would take. An argument against letting 16-year-olds be legal prostitutes is not an argument against legalizing prostitution in general, it's an argument against letting 16-year-olds do it. A state's laws could easily raise the age at which one can enter the profession, just as a state's laws can raise the age at which someone can drink.

And yes, I believe reducing the wealth, power and influence of organized crime would make everyone safer. Do you disagree?

Posted by swamphawk22 on 6/25/2011 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/24/2011 5:39:00 PM (view original):
Trafficking of human flesh.   Do you disagree?  

Yes I disagree.

If you count every job in the world are human trafficking than you are right.

If not what is the difference between a woman working in a clothing factory in South Carolina and a woman working as an outcall massage and escort hooker?

Posted by The Taint on 6/26/2011 1:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/24/2011 8:50:00 AM (view original):
First, I'd like to say that you know I'm right when swampy says "Great points Anton."   If you want to wave the white flag, I'll understand.

1.  If selling your body for the sexual pleasure of others isn't the trafficking of human flesh, I don't know what is.  If you don't agree, I'm not going to be able to convince you so I'll just let that point remain as is.   As for 16 year olds become legal prostitutes, I don't think you've really thought it through.  First, 16 year olds make really stupid, spur of the moment decisions.  Allowing them to sell sex might be the worst idea I've ran across on these boards.  I'll refer back to the mental aspect of being a whore.  I find it hard to believe that some people don't regret that decision.   Second, your point was to increase tax revenue.  Now, not only are we allowing the young to make stupid decisions, we're encouraging it and profiting from it.  As a country.   Somehow that seems wrong.   If you don't agree, I can't help you.   Lastly, I'm not lobbying for change.  If WV thinks 16 is old enough to figure out if they want to **** a 40 y/o, WV can do what they want.   I'm not a moralist pushing my beliefs on everyone.   I'm just going with what's legal now and asking "Why change it?"

2.  No, we're not.  You said "The public would be safer with legalized prostitution."   I don't think so.  Desensitizing us to one "vice" doesn't mean we stop there.  We're paying for a product.  When we don't get what we want, we react.  Someone prone to react violently will react violently because "she's just a whore."

As for a change of culture, it would be.   No way for me to say if it would be for better or worse.  I believe it would be for the worse but I could be wrong.   But I believe how we view women would change.  And I don't think it would be for the better.  

Again, I don't see any benefit to changing the current laws.  And you've certainly not made a convincing argument that it would be a good thing.

So you think that the public would be just as safe with legalized murder but not as safe with legalized prostitution?

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/26/2011 7:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 6/24/2011 5:47:00 PM (view original):
Mike, you're the one who doesn't know what human trafficking is. It's a far more awful thing than prostitution. I'd say "go look it up" but I'm pretty sure you won't bother. Feel free to keep lookng ignorant though.

True, 16-year-olds do stupid things. So do 26-year-olds, 36-year-olds etc. I don't see your point. If a state has declared that a 16-year-old is an adult, they are in fact free to do all kinds of stupid things. There's also been no discussion so far of the specific form legalized prostitution would take. An argument against letting 16-year-olds be legal prostitutes is not an argument against legalizing prostitution in general, it's an argument against letting 16-year-olds do it. A state's laws could easily raise the age at which one can enter the profession, just as a state's laws can raise the age at which someone can drink.

And yes, I believe reducing the wealth, power and influence of organized crime would make everyone safer. Do you disagree?

I think you need to look it up.  But I'm sure you won't because you already know everything, right?

Swampy used "consenting adult" earlier.  That's where I got 16 y/o.  Take it up with him.

Until you prove wealth, power and influence of organized crime would be reduced by legalized prostitution, I don't see your point.   Do you disagree?

You said "consenting adult".   Look it up.  It varies from state to state.   In fact, I'd think a "consenting adult" could legally drink a beer at any time.  

I don't have to answer any questions until someone gives me a good reason to change a law.    No one has.