Tea Party 4-18-11 Topic

Logic is the idea that Beck would get verbally attacked in a liberal neighberhood.

So he was out and something did happen. There were tweets. Didnt you read the stories?

6/30/2011 5:53 AM
Posted by rcrusso on 6/29/2011 1:22:00 PM (view original):
HE LIED!!!!!! NEVER HAPPEND!!!!
Your assertion.


Please back it up.  You may not believe it happened.  That doesn't make you right.  You may have evidence that would support your assertion.  That may make you right.  Otherwise, it's only an assertion on your part.
6/30/2011 6:42 AM
It is only an assertion on his part. No pictures, no witnesses, no sound track. Just the word of a right wing bigot who speaks to God or for God or whatever his latest claim is. If you chose to believe him then fine, I do not. I say again, HE LIED, IT NEVER HAPPEND!!!
6/30/2011 9:16 AM
Oh and as far as my need to back it up, this is a stupid message board on a sport site! I will say what I think and if that bothers you I will gladly bend over so you can kiss my ***!
6/30/2011 9:23 AM
Not getting nasty with you.  Not sure why you are with me but oh well. 

I'll choose not to believe you unless you back your claims.  I'm not claiming Beck is telling the truth - I know absolutely nothing about the incident.  But if I'm taking time to read a forum, I think it's reasonable to ask someone who makes a specific claim to back it up with something.  You saying "he lied" doesn't make it so.  You don't "need" to back it up, but I'm not sure why you'd post it if you don't really want to talk about it.

If I make a factual (or what I consider to be factual) statement, I would expect people who disagree with me to challenge me on it.
6/30/2011 10:25 AM

Today on his radio show, Glenn Beck tearfully recounted an incident from Bryant Park last night when he and his wife and daughter turned up to see a showing of the Hitchcock classic The 39 Steps. Apparently some fellow picnickers began harassing the Becks, even at one point "accidentally" kicking a glass of wine onto his wife's back. It sounded genuinely unpleasant and a little scary, though the famously paranoid Beck played up the dramatics in his retelling. "I swear to you I think, if I had suggested, and I almost did, 'Wow, does anybody have a rope? Because there's [a] tree here. You could just lynch me.' And I think there would have been a couple in the crowd that would have," he said. He called Gawker, which ran some user-submitted photos of the Becks, "especially horrible." "They have done everything they can to stalk me and my family," he said. "They’ve put my family in jeopardy in their own home."

Then, for almost ten minutes, Beck went on an extended rant against New Yorkers and the type of twentysomethings that harassed him. "These people were some of the most hateful people I had ever seen," he said. "I was told a lot last night about how New York hates people like me."

"I really feel sorry for you," he continued. "Here you are, 25 years old, and you are so lost and so arrogant and so convinced that you are absolutely 100 percent right. And you are helping craft a system that is fueled by hate. You're being used, and you don't even know it. You're building a system fueled by the very things you say you hate: special interests, the rich, the powerful, global corporations — that’s who's pulling your string."

So that tearful part where he's so worried about leaving his family to the mercy of the horrible crowd? He forgot to mention the bodyguards. Here's a different version from someone who was sitting behind him:

Just a quick FYI -saw your article on Mr. Beck and his numerous FALSE claims about the way that he was treated at Bryant Park last night. Myself and several of my friends were seated immediately behind Mr. Beck & co (have pictures) and I can tell you that while the crowd was certainly not *thrilled* that he had shown up, his family was left completely alone, and for the most part he was too. Conversely, it was his security detail (two body guards) that seemed to be unnecessarily prickly with the crowd, scolding myself and my friends for acrobatics and other harmless activities taking place well before the movie started, and contributing to a considerably less relaxed atmosphere than is typically experienced during BPMN (I've been going for about six years now).

It was my friend that spilled the glass of wine on Tanya -and I can assure you that it was a complete accident. A happy one, to be sure, but nonetheless a complete and utter accident. As soon as the wine spilled (and I question how Tanya became soaked from a half glass of wine) apologies were made and my friends pretty much scrambled to give Tanya & co napkins -no doubt aware that it would look terrible and that their actions could be perceived as purposeful. No words were exchanged after that, as I think that it became pretty clear to Beck & co that my friends and I were doing everything in our capacity to help clean the "mess".

I'm sure it's unnecessary to point out the hypocrisy in Glen's statements that we were being hateful. I can assure him that we don't need his sympathy. Incidentally, none of us have made a career of "spewing hate" on the radio, or any other media platform. We live our lives intolerant only of those who don't tolerate: We have chosen New York as our city for that very reason. We do things like go to Bryant Park Movie Night, and vote to legalize gay marriage. We don't taunt Glen, or his family. And we certainly don't waste our wine, even on Tanya.

Glenn, you're such a liar. I feel sorry for you.

6/30/2011 11:26 AM
I think I will take the word of someone who was there that had no special need to hold liberals up as his own special enemy.
6/30/2011 11:27 AM
You don't know what this guy's agenda was or might be, but despite all of that, at least you are now backing up your claim.  That, I find reasonable on its own.  Thanks for doing so.
6/30/2011 4:19 PM
Posted by rcrusso on 6/30/2011 11:27:00 AM (view original):
I think I will take the word of someone who was there that had no special need to hold liberals up as his own special enemy.
Really. You just accept this woman as neutral.

There is a twitter feed from her from that night saying "Fuc*i$g Glenn Beck Showed up". And she was "Happy" about the wine spill.

And she is a professional artist and poet who splits time between NY and SF. She is a regular contributer to "Ashcan Magazine" a liberal art blog.

She is a little less neutral than James Carville.
6/30/2011 7:58 PM
Where did I claim that she was neutral? I still take her word for it. Why are you so hell bent to convince me that Beck is the second comeing? Stop trying to convince me that I must accept his word. I am not trying to convince you of anything. I told you what I think so drop the subject.
6/30/2011 10:13 PM
By the way swamp, I AM NOT NEUTRAL!     Glen Beck is not neutral. So why does my source have to be?
6/30/2011 10:15 PM
No one is saying your source has to be neutral.  But if you want to know the truth about whether something happens, context matters.  If I'm impartial (I'm not, but if I was), the tweet matters, especially if it was done before the "accident".  The fact that this person obviously hates Beck is an integral part of things.

You can choose to believe who you want obviously.  But it was your assertion that he lied.   The onus is on you to back it up.  You offered something.  The backup is a source that may not be credible.  I honestly don't know who to believe on this one.
7/1/2011 10:39 AM
So dig deep in your heart and ask yourself if a liberal crowd would be cordial to Glenn Beck?
7/1/2011 1:16 PM
Posted by rcrusso on 6/30/2011 10:13:00 PM (view original):
Where did I claim that she was neutral? I still take her word for it. Why are you so hell bent to convince me that Beck is the second comeing? Stop trying to convince me that I must accept his word. I am not trying to convince you of anything. I told you what I think so drop the subject.
You tried to paint her as a person with no axe to grind.

I exposed the truth.

We need to remain fair and balanced!
7/1/2011 1:17 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/1/2011 1:16:00 PM (view original):
So dig deep in your heart and ask yourself if a liberal crowd would be cordial to Glenn Beck?
Why should they be?  He bashes liberals at every opportunity. 
He doesn't deserve any respect.
7/1/2011 3:20 PM
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