Did Palin make Bachmann viable? Topic

Again, for everyone that didnt see the whole Couric Interview, I would assume that would be almost all of you, she was trying to sound more important and she said that Alaska bordered on Russia. A true statement. She was padding her resume.
Wait, what?  Padding her resume?  By informing us of something most of us have known since 1st or 2nd grade?

7/8/2011 4:45 PM
Oh, c'mon.  You and I are the same age.   We were learning states in 1st/2nd grade.   The world was too big back then.
7/8/2011 4:59 PM
Posted by willgibson on 7/8/2011 2:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 9:10:00 AM (view original):
Oh, I wouldn't argue.   I hate to listen to Obama speak because I end up liking the guy when I do.  I believe what he's selling.  Unfortunately, tomorrow comes and what he stands for, and wants, doesn't work for me.    In a political forum, I think he wrecks everyone the Repubs have out there.  I'm just not sure we need 4 more years of "politician". 

FWIW, and I'm sure some will disagree, I think it's hard for Americans to accept a woman's voice as a voice in power.   There is a "shrillness" when they speak with passion and I don't think we like it.   It's sounds emotional.   I can't think of a President with a high-pitched voice in my life. 
There's some truth to this statement although I've never heard voice pitch being discussed as a potential impediment. You might be on to something there.
I could be wrong but I can think of few men in power with high-pitched voices.   None at the national level. 
7/8/2011 5:00 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 4:59:00 PM (view original):
Oh, c'mon.  You and I are the same age.   We were learning states in 1st/2nd grade.   The world was too big back then.
Yeah, getting forgetful in my old age - OK 3rd or 4th grade.
7/8/2011 5:19 PM
Posted by willgibson on 7/8/2011 2:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 9:10:00 AM (view original):
Oh, I wouldn't argue.   I hate to listen to Obama speak because I end up liking the guy when I do.  I believe what he's selling.  Unfortunately, tomorrow comes and what he stands for, and wants, doesn't work for me.    In a political forum, I think he wrecks everyone the Repubs have out there.  I'm just not sure we need 4 more years of "politician". 

FWIW, and I'm sure some will disagree, I think it's hard for Americans to accept a woman's voice as a voice in power.   There is a "shrillness" when they speak with passion and I don't think we like it.   It's sounds emotional.   I can't think of a President with a high-pitched voice in my life. 
There's some truth to this statement although I've never heard voice pitch being discussed as a potential impediment. You might be on to something there.
Could it also be that Palin, and to a lesser extent Bachmann have an odd dialect. Palin has that Alskan accent and Bachmann the Minnesota speak.
7/9/2011 5:08 AM
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Obama was handed his state Senate seat. He won the Senate seat without a shot being fired. He never really had a job that had any kind of standard of performance. So take away school and what has he done.

Palin fought for everything she got.

Beauty Queen
PTA
Husbands business
Mayor
Governor
Head of Alaskan oil and gas Commission

She went out and took on life.

Oh my God. I can't stop laughing.

When I compare Obama to Palin I cannot stop laughing at the media portraying him as a genius and her as stupid. That is pretty funny.

This guy has never really accomplished anything on his own before running for President.
Yes, because beauty queen, PTA, working in her husband's business and getting herself appointed to a partisan commission rank as major life accomplishments. As opposed to being named editor of the Harvard Law Review. Jesus wept.
Again that is a school accomplishment. Being smart in school and being able to translate that into real world skills is something that not everyone can do. Palin did, Bachmann did, Obama not so much!
Well Obama clearly did because he's sitting in the White House. Dumbass.

I still can't get over the fact you view beauty queen as a bigger real-world accomplishment than being editor of the Harvard Law Review. 
I never said it was bigger.

Everything Obama did before president was in his comfort zone. Harvard Law Review is tough, but it is you sitting with other students and discussing law. He does that all the time.

Having to stand up in front of the world and fight for a beauty title shows charecter. PTA leader is another challenge. Running  afamily Business gives her more real world economic experience that Obama has. The Commission post gives her actual energy experience.

And it doesnt really matter if Alaska is bigger that some other state. Do you really think that the Governor of Alaska is easier than the Governor of Arkansas?

Obama had no resume and the media never called him on it. He had no experience in the real world and no one ever asked him what magazimes he reads. This guy has zero foreign policy backround and no one ever called him on it. Palin got trashed and Obama got a free pass.
7/9/2011 5:15 AM
I have come to a conclusion swamp............SO WHAT???

The same old tired BS from you. I hope they elect the ****! I am not concerned in the least! You on the other hand will most likely live to regret it.
7/9/2011 7:25 AM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/9/2011 5:15:00 AM (view original):
Posted by willgibson on 7/8/2011 7:58:00 AM (view original):
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Posted by willgibson on 7/6/2011 7:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/6/2011 4:47:00 AM (view original):
Obama was handed his state Senate seat. He won the Senate seat without a shot being fired. He never really had a job that had any kind of standard of performance. So take away school and what has he done.

Palin fought for everything she got.

Beauty Queen
PTA
Husbands business
Mayor
Governor
Head of Alaskan oil and gas Commission

She went out and took on life.

Oh my God. I can't stop laughing.

When I compare Obama to Palin I cannot stop laughing at the media portraying him as a genius and her as stupid. That is pretty funny.

This guy has never really accomplished anything on his own before running for President.
Yes, because beauty queen, PTA, working in her husband's business and getting herself appointed to a partisan commission rank as major life accomplishments. As opposed to being named editor of the Harvard Law Review. Jesus wept.
Again that is a school accomplishment. Being smart in school and being able to translate that into real world skills is something that not everyone can do. Palin did, Bachmann did, Obama not so much!
Well Obama clearly did because he's sitting in the White House. Dumbass.

I still can't get over the fact you view beauty queen as a bigger real-world accomplishment than being editor of the Harvard Law Review. 
I never said it was bigger.

Everything Obama did before president was in his comfort zone. Harvard Law Review is tough, but it is you sitting with other students and discussing law. He does that all the time.

Having to stand up in front of the world and fight for a beauty title shows charecter. PTA leader is another challenge. Running  afamily Business gives her more real world economic experience that Obama has. The Commission post gives her actual energy experience.

And it doesnt really matter if Alaska is bigger that some other state. Do you really think that the Governor of Alaska is easier than the Governor of Arkansas?

Obama had no resume and the media never called him on it. He had no experience in the real world and no one ever asked him what magazimes he reads. This guy has zero foreign policy backround and no one ever called him on it. Palin got trashed and Obama got a free pass.
Yea it shows charecter, whatever the hell that word is! I certainly hope that she spells better than you do.
7/9/2011 8:52 AM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/9/2011 5:08:00 AM (view original):
Posted by willgibson on 7/8/2011 2:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 9:10:00 AM (view original):
Oh, I wouldn't argue.   I hate to listen to Obama speak because I end up liking the guy when I do.  I believe what he's selling.  Unfortunately, tomorrow comes and what he stands for, and wants, doesn't work for me.    In a political forum, I think he wrecks everyone the Repubs have out there.  I'm just not sure we need 4 more years of "politician". 

FWIW, and I'm sure some will disagree, I think it's hard for Americans to accept a woman's voice as a voice in power.   There is a "shrillness" when they speak with passion and I don't think we like it.   It's sounds emotional.   I can't think of a President with a high-pitched voice in my life. 
There's some truth to this statement although I've never heard voice pitch being discussed as a potential impediment. You might be on to something there.
Could it also be that Palin, and to a lesser extent Bachmann have an odd dialect. Palin has that Alskan accent and Bachmann the Minnesota speak.
There have been very successful politicians with dialects far removed from the sort of mainstream mid-Atlantic accent sought by broadcasters and television advertisers, both in history (Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter) and recent times (Arnie, GWB). They are sometimes mocked for their accents but people outside of their cohort will still vote for them. No, I think Mike is really on to something here.
7/9/2011 11:32 AM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/9/2011 5:15:00 AM (view original):
Posted by willgibson on 7/8/2011 7:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/8/2011 1:29:00 AM (view original):
Posted by willgibson on 7/7/2011 4:44:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/7/2011 4:06:00 AM (view original):
Posted by willgibson on 7/6/2011 7:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/6/2011 4:47:00 AM (view original):
Obama was handed his state Senate seat. He won the Senate seat without a shot being fired. He never really had a job that had any kind of standard of performance. So take away school and what has he done.

Palin fought for everything she got.

Beauty Queen
PTA
Husbands business
Mayor
Governor
Head of Alaskan oil and gas Commission

She went out and took on life.

Oh my God. I can't stop laughing.

When I compare Obama to Palin I cannot stop laughing at the media portraying him as a genius and her as stupid. That is pretty funny.

This guy has never really accomplished anything on his own before running for President.
Yes, because beauty queen, PTA, working in her husband's business and getting herself appointed to a partisan commission rank as major life accomplishments. As opposed to being named editor of the Harvard Law Review. Jesus wept.
Again that is a school accomplishment. Being smart in school and being able to translate that into real world skills is something that not everyone can do. Palin did, Bachmann did, Obama not so much!
Well Obama clearly did because he's sitting in the White House. Dumbass.

I still can't get over the fact you view beauty queen as a bigger real-world accomplishment than being editor of the Harvard Law Review. 
I never said it was bigger.

Everything Obama did before president was in his comfort zone. Harvard Law Review is tough, but it is you sitting with other students and discussing law. He does that all the time.

Having to stand up in front of the world and fight for a beauty title shows charecter. PTA leader is another challenge. Running  afamily Business gives her more real world economic experience that Obama has. The Commission post gives her actual energy experience.

And it doesnt really matter if Alaska is bigger that some other state. Do you really think that the Governor of Alaska is easier than the Governor of Arkansas?

Obama had no resume and the media never called him on it. He had no experience in the real world and no one ever asked him what magazimes he reads. This guy has zero foreign policy backround and no one ever called him on it. Palin got trashed and Obama got a free pass.
It takes a certain amount of courage -- and more than a little narcissism -- to enter a beauty contest, but thousands of girls do it every year. How many people are admitted into Harvard Law School? And how many have Obama's disadvantaged background? Do you understand what the word "tough" actually means.

Listen, my two kids get up on a stage every year and play the piano -- both rote pieces or their own compositions -- as well as recite poetry at music festivals so I understand how difficult it is to expose yourself by performing to an audience and judges. My wife and I feel it has helped them improve immensely. But that still is nothing like getting into Harvard Law.

As a parent of school-aged children and somebody who is married to a teacher, I've met plenty of PTA types. In my experience, they've been stay-at-home mothers with the time and motivation to take on that role. Some of them are fantastic in supporting the school and improving the quality of campus life. Others are incredibly vindictive and destructive because they have an agenda of trying to pay back teachers or other parents for perceived slights to their children. The position does not confer inherent goodness on people. I have no idea what Sarah Palin was like as a PTA leader but I don't find it an accomplishment that rates above Harvard Law Review editor.

As somebody who has worked in the energy industry for the last seven years (in public relations for a supermajor), I can tell you that commission post was a patronage appointment that is entirely unremarkable. These types of jobs are doled out to hacks for services rendered and used by aspiring politicians to raise campaign contributions. In that sense, Sarah has done a fantastic job as a reliable supporter of oil companies. That's her constituency and her ATM. That doesn't really impress me as an "accomplishment." Moreover many people in the industry STILL have their doubts about her ability to run and win. That's having met her and been charmed by her. A lot of oil execs would love to sleep with her. Most, though, are unsure of her viability in running the United States government.

Alaska is certainly no smaller than Arkansas but that does not mean she's ready to be president. Bill Clinton was a thoroughbred. Sarah Palin is a donkey. I'm not sure what Obama is but he's in a different class than Sarah Palin. He'd spank her badly in a general election -- enough to give fetishists such as yourself  all kinds of fodder. Sensible Republicans understand this because they remember the likes of Barry Goldwater. That's why the conversation will eventually evolve beyond Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann. The media -- and disingenous carnival barkers such as Rush and Olbermann -0 want to keep them in the race because they love their telegenic looks and outrageous quotes. They are good for ratings. That's why the media are still mourning the loss of Donald Trump. As are the Democrats.
7/9/2011 12:07 PM

Rep. Michele Bachmann is the first [1] Republican presidential candidate to sign the Family Leader pledge [2] disavowing gay marriage, premarital sex, and porn. But perhaps the most outrageous part of the pledge is the section that implies that maybe slavery wasn't all that bad for black families.

Declaring [3] that "[u]nmistakably, the Institution of Marriage in America is in great crisis," the document states:

Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President.

Maybe they should get a bit of credit for acknowledging that slavery was "disastrous" for black Americans. But that passage seems to suggest that maybe things actually were better for black Americans then. Yes, being kept as property, forced into marriages arranged by slave masters, and raped by those masters was great for black people. As Jack & Jill Politics [4] also points out, breaking up families to sell off slaves was hardly pro-family values. It's an insensitive comparison that ignores history.

Bachmann's campaign has not responded to a request for comment about this particular line in the pledge.

The pledge, which is being promoted by Family Leader president and former Mike Huckabee ally Bob Vander Plaats, asks GOP candidates to committee to 14 vows, including "personal fidelity to my spouse," rejection of Sharia law, and "earnest, bona fide legal advocacy" for the Defense of Marriage Act. So far, Bachmann is the only candidate to sign on [1].

UPDATE: We asked the NAACP about the controversial pledge, and Bachmann's decision to sign it. "It is outrageously insensitive and without factual merit," said Hilary Shelton, senior vice president for advocacy and policy at the NAACP. "To say that the conditions African Americans are living under today are somehow worse than the conditions under slavery ignores the factual reality that they were bred to be sold ... It's certainly a misrepresentation of our nation's history and the horrors of slavery."


Reprinted from Mother Jones
7/9/2011 9:33 PM
Posted by willgibson on 7/9/2011 11:32:00 AM (view original):
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Posted by willgibson on 7/8/2011 2:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 9:10:00 AM (view original):
Oh, I wouldn't argue.   I hate to listen to Obama speak because I end up liking the guy when I do.  I believe what he's selling.  Unfortunately, tomorrow comes and what he stands for, and wants, doesn't work for me.    In a political forum, I think he wrecks everyone the Repubs have out there.  I'm just not sure we need 4 more years of "politician". 

FWIW, and I'm sure some will disagree, I think it's hard for Americans to accept a woman's voice as a voice in power.   There is a "shrillness" when they speak with passion and I don't think we like it.   It's sounds emotional.   I can't think of a President with a high-pitched voice in my life. 
There's some truth to this statement although I've never heard voice pitch being discussed as a potential impediment. You might be on to something there.
Could it also be that Palin, and to a lesser extent Bachmann have an odd dialect. Palin has that Alskan accent and Bachmann the Minnesota speak.
There have been very successful politicians with dialects far removed from the sort of mainstream mid-Atlantic accent sought by broadcasters and television advertisers, both in history (Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter) and recent times (Arnie, GWB). They are sometimes mocked for their accents but people outside of their cohort will still vote for them. No, I think Mike is really on to something here.
We've had a very short time frame in which a woman would have even been considered a viable presidential candidate anyway (really, Hillary was probably the first with a realistic shot), so i don't think I'm willing to go along with the idea that their "shrill" voices are what's keeping women out of the White House.
7/9/2011 9:40 PM
Could just be sexism.   But the voice might be part of that.   
7/10/2011 8:21 AM
One of our media consultants is a big believer in training people who speak publicly about the use of effective body language. I'll ask about about voice pitch and see if any studies or specialists on it
7/10/2011 10:01 AM
My theory evolves around the fact that we want the person in charge to sound calm and controlled.   High pitch tends to sound excited and panicked.    Two people can say the same thing with the same passion but the deeper voice will say "I'm in charge" while the other says "HELP ME!!  THIS IS CRAZY STUFF!!!"

7/10/2011 11:26 AM
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