He's not stupid.  He wants this to NOT be a topic during his re-election efforts. 

Posted by rcrusso on 7/25/2011 12:10:00 PM (view original):
"made to look stupid"?

That is called truth in advertising! It would be the same as "making" you look fat. Not so hard to do given the material one has to work with.

I think that isnt accurate.

Nobody thought of Palin as stupid before SNL. If you go back to the reaction to her Concevtion speech people were angry about the way she treated Obama or happy about what she said. No one came up with stupid.

And This is the pattern. All she has done in her life no one thought she was stupid until SNL started trashing her every week.

Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/25/2011 11:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 7/25/2011 7:24:00 AM (view original):
Ah, you chose the fucktard route. Splendid.

Here ya go.

So this, a skit designed to mock the media and the debate structure, and just happened to have Obama in it, is your evidence.

Do I need to show clips from multiple shows where Palin was actually attacked and made to look stupid?

Of course I dont, you know that happened.

Because clearly, having Obama claim he was abducted by aliens is in no way a joke at his expense.

You're an idiot.

Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/25/2011 5:40:00 PM:
Nobody thought of Palin as stupid before SNL.

FYI, repeating a lie doesn't make it magically become true.

Posted by wrmiller13 on 7/25/2011 2:01:00 PM (view original):
In an attempt to pull this discussion back from the abyss and somewhat on topic:

Did the House and Senate leaders really just come to an agreement on the debt ceiling, only to have President Obama say "No way"?

He knows that if this comes up next year during the election cycle, it can only make the party in "power" look bad.

Fer crying out loud - in the immortal words of a redneck comedian - just "Git R Dun!"

The initial spin seems to be that Obama is rejecting any band-aid style deals, that he wants a real resolution and real deficit-cutting measures and not just to kick the can down the road again.

Until I see what the deal he's rejecting actually involves, I'm reserving judgment.

From what he said tonight - before one of my kids hit the switch and unplugged our directv receiver 2 minutes into it - I was not impressed - a lot of the same old stuff:

"Its not my fault"  "I didn't create this mess"

At least that was the initial message I heard.

However - I will keep an open mind until I see the speech in its entirety (hopefully later tonight) and see what deal is put in front of him

The best option currently might be to slap a short term band aid onto it with the certainty of system changing work - really hard work - to follow soon.

Too bad it seems that we have a shortage of politicians (on both sides) who actually want to engage in the really hard work.

If he would quit with the "Reagan did it" and "George Bush did it", people would take him a bit more seriously when he claims he's trying to solve a problem.  He's just campaigning. 

I'm sadden by the fact, and it is fact, that he will be a two-term president. 


And swampy, if I read 2-3 of your posts, I may not realize that you're an idiot.  But, if you keep posting, it becomes apparent.   Palin's "down-homesy" ways often come off as less than intelligent.   She does it to herself.    That said, I'd take her 10 times out of 10 over Obama.   President is largely a figurehead who pushes his agenda. 

FWIW, I don't think Palin is stupid at all.   I think she manipulates her image as well as any politician.   She's not playing to the inner city youth.  They're never going to like him or vote for her.  So she plays to her base group.   And they're going to love her even if she talks about shooting caribou from her front porch while wearing nothing but a hockey mask and beauty pageant sash.

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/26/2011 6:58:00 AM (view original):
If he would quit with the "Reagan did it" and "George Bush did it", people would take him a bit more seriously when he claims he's trying to solve a problem.  He's just campaigning. 

I'm sadden by the fact, and it is fact, that he will be a two-term president. 


And swampy, if I read 2-3 of your posts, I may not realize that you're an idiot.  But, if you keep posting, it becomes apparent.   Palin's "down-homesy" ways often come off as less than intelligent.   She does it to herself.    That said, I'd take her 10 times out of 10 over Obama.   President is largely a figurehead who pushes his agenda. 

I think Romney 'can' win if they can keep the campaign geared at the economy.... that said - Obama has raised A LOT of money and will continue to do so.

... and Palin is more annoying than Hannity and less annoying than Coulter. Either way thats bad.

Romney is a made for TV President.  Which is probably the best way to defeat Obama.

I don't think the republican nominee can win based on the economy.  Not because they would be wrong about it.  But because the public bites on the big class warfare lies all the time.  There's a reason the liberals use this constantly.  There's a reason the "balanced approach" rhetoric works over and over and over again.  The biggest reason is not that intelligent people can disagree on how economics work.  the biggest reason is that Joe American has absolutely no interest in learning how it does work.

Both parties play to their ignorance.

How does a liberal sell tax hikes?  Class warfare.  Can one tell you what's the appropriate rate to tax?  Can one tell you what the appropriate revenues received are?  Can they explain which they want when (recent history shows) they acheive opposite goals?

How does a republican sell tax cuts?  Rising tide.  Can they tell you in a soundbite how that might work?  Can they tell you why someone will or won't invest the next marginal dollar for the next marginal return and how changing tax rates affect behavior?

Neither side of the debate has the ability to accurately inform the people how any of this works.  The biggest reason for that, IMO, is that the general public dismisses basic economics as something too complicated.  Just let me afford my leased luxury SUV and let me watch Americal Idol on my big-screen - don't bother me with all that "complicated" stuff.

With Obama's warchest, I find it difficult to see a scenario where we are not stuck with 4 more years of ......

Much to my own dismay.  I'll be successful either way because my life doesn't depend on who is president, but I do envision myself working much later into my life that I had planned, and he's a huge part of it....especially when the tipping point is reached and the only remaining answer will be to monetize the debt.  That will hurt everybody much worse than the "draconian" cuts of entitlement programs.

That's the truth.   If you say "We only want the most fortunate to invest a little more into the country that allowed them to get a little more" rather than "We want to tax the people who worked hard to get a little more", people will rally behind that.  After all, what percentage of America makes more the 250k a year?   Who doesn't want someone else to pay more taxes while you get a cheaper rate?

Obama has a nice warchest and doesnt have to go through a primary.

The business community will pitch in and try to get this guy out.

Obama is going to have to run a 100% negative canpaign because he accomplished nothing he can run on. He has to use Its all Bush and the Republicans fault.