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I have been hearing these "To hip for the room" types saying that they dont watch television at all since the 70s.

Except the internet there is no single greater access to information than television.

Just because the give shows to Paris Hilton and the Kardashians doesnt mean there isnt a vast amount of data you can get from TV.
8/20/2011 4:01 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 8/20/2011 4:01:00 PM (view original):
I have been hearing these "To hip for the room" types saying that they dont watch television at all since the 70s.

Except the internet there is no single greater access to information than television.

Just because the give shows to Paris Hilton and the Kardashians doesnt mean there isnt a vast amount of data you can get from TV.
You just made another assumption, one as colossally stupid as the last one. I watch lots of television, largely sports. I just don't get my news from it.

One of the reasons I don't bother with television news is I actually worked in the industry for about two years, working on documentaries that aired on the Discovery Channel, National Geographic and History Television among North American broadcasters. I know how much you have to dumb down narratives for halfwits. I don't feel like having my intelligence insulted on a nightly basis. Obviously your tolerance for that is a good deal higher. Why am I not surprised?
8/20/2011 4:43 PM
WELL SAID, SIR!
8/20/2011 5:22 PM
And what exactly is the Newspaper telling you that the news isnt?

We have 2 papers in Detroit. News (FOX News) and the Free Press (MSNBC).

Similar points and stories.

And documentaries are not the same as a news channel.
8/20/2011 7:18 PM
swampy is somewhat on track.  I'm getting the "I'm too educated to watch TV news" from will.

I think I said it earlier but you can find **** on the tube, on the radio and in any number of print sources.   Get the information from wherever and do what you need to do with it. 
8/20/2011 8:32 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 8/20/2011 7:18:00 PM (view original):
And what exactly is the Newspaper telling you that the news isnt?

We have 2 papers in Detroit. News (FOX News) and the Free Press (MSNBC).

Similar points and stories.

And documentaries are not the same as a news channel.

What is a newspaper telling me that a 22-minute newscast isn't? Or listening to bingo callers holler at each other for 44 minutes? I guess you'll have to look beyond the crossword and the coupons.

8/20/2011 11:46 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/20/2011 8:32:00 PM (view original):
swampy is somewhat on track.  I'm getting the "I'm too educated to watch TV news" from will.

I think I said it earlier but you can find **** on the tube, on the radio and in any number of print sources.   Get the information from wherever and do what you need to do with it. 
That's funny because I'm getting a "here's why lefties can play second base" vibe from you.
8/20/2011 11:50 PM
Posted by willgibson on 8/20/2011 11:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 8/20/2011 7:18:00 PM (view original):
And what exactly is the Newspaper telling you that the news isnt?

We have 2 papers in Detroit. News (FOX News) and the Free Press (MSNBC).

Similar points and stories.

And documentaries are not the same as a news channel.

What is a newspaper telling me that a 22-minute newscast isn't? Or listening to bingo callers holler at each other for 44 minutes? I guess you'll have to look beyond the crossword and the coupons.

22 minute newscast?

How about 5 24 hour news channels. So with the commercials that means 88 hours of news available per day.

That does not include network and local news. It doesnt include new channels like Fox Business.

I have acted badly in this debate. Newspapers are not my enemy. I was wrong to make this personal. Being in Cable I sometimes jump to the defense of TV.

I would hope you would allow TV to expand the way you see the world.
8/21/2011 4:10 AM
Posted by willgibson on 8/20/2011 11:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/20/2011 8:32:00 PM (view original):
swampy is somewhat on track.  I'm getting the "I'm too educated to watch TV news" from will.

I think I said it earlier but you can find **** on the tube, on the radio and in any number of print sources.   Get the information from wherever and do what you need to do with it. 
That's funny because I'm getting a "here's why lefties can play second base" vibe from you.
They can.  They won't do it very well but they can.   Of course, someone with a narrow view of the world, someone who thinks TV is an evil news source with no redeeming value, wouldn't think they could.
8/21/2011 6:42 AM
NO
8/21/2011 7:29 AM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 8/21/2011 4:10:00 AM (view original):
Posted by willgibson on 8/20/2011 11:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 8/20/2011 7:18:00 PM (view original):
And what exactly is the Newspaper telling you that the news isnt?

We have 2 papers in Detroit. News (FOX News) and the Free Press (MSNBC).

Similar points and stories.

And documentaries are not the same as a news channel.

What is a newspaper telling me that a 22-minute newscast isn't? Or listening to bingo callers holler at each other for 44 minutes? I guess you'll have to look beyond the crossword and the coupons.

22 minute newscast?

How about 5 24 hour news channels. So with the commercials that means 88 hours of news available per day.

That does not include network and local news. It doesnt include new channels like Fox Business.

I have acted badly in this debate. Newspapers are not my enemy. I was wrong to make this personal. Being in Cable I sometimes jump to the defense of TV.

I would hope you would allow TV to expand the way you see the world.
You confuse quality with quantity. Although whenever there's breaking news, I'll flip on the television to get the details. But for indepth analysis and insights, I'll stick with newspapers and magazines, thanks, and let others decide who is better informed about the wider world.

There is an irony. I know a fair few people who work in television news socially and they do exactly the same thing in order to find stories and sources. That's because most of them (or their executive producers) use to work as ink-stained wretches.
8/21/2011 9:48 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/21/2011 6:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by willgibson on 8/20/2011 11:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/20/2011 8:32:00 PM (view original):
swampy is somewhat on track.  I'm getting the "I'm too educated to watch TV news" from will.

I think I said it earlier but you can find **** on the tube, on the radio and in any number of print sources.   Get the information from wherever and do what you need to do with it. 
That's funny because I'm getting a "here's why lefties can play second base" vibe from you.
They can.  They won't do it very well but they can.   Of course, someone with a narrow view of the world, someone who thinks TV is an evil news source with no redeeming value, wouldn't think they could.
loll -- yes, that's exactly what I said. 

Look, it's fine if you want to drive a Chevrolet rather than a Mercedes, that's your choice. Or have their kids attend community college rather than an Ivy League school. But this whole notion that all information sources are created equally is about as plausible as a lefty playing second base. 

I don't think television news is evil -- I think most of it is a waste of time that can be occasionally amusing. Much like some of the posters in this thread.
8/21/2011 9:56 AM
Posted by willgibson on 8/21/2011 9:56:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/21/2011 6:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by willgibson on 8/20/2011 11:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/20/2011 8:32:00 PM (view original):
swampy is somewhat on track.  I'm getting the "I'm too educated to watch TV news" from will.

I think I said it earlier but you can find **** on the tube, on the radio and in any number of print sources.   Get the information from wherever and do what you need to do with it. 
That's funny because I'm getting a "here's why lefties can play second base" vibe from you.
They can.  They won't do it very well but they can.   Of course, someone with a narrow view of the world, someone who thinks TV is an evil news source with no redeeming value, wouldn't think they could.
loll -- yes, that's exactly what I said. 

Look, it's fine if you want to drive a Chevrolet rather than a Mercedes, that's your choice. Or have their kids attend community college rather than an Ivy League school. But this whole notion that all information sources are created equally is about as plausible as a lefty playing second base. 

I don't think television news is evil -- I think most of it is a waste of time that can be occasionally amusing. Much like some of the posters in this thread.
loll -- yes, that's exactly what I said. 

Look, it's fine if you want to limit your news sources rather than expand your possibilities, that's your choice.   But, as has been said numerous times, what you do with the information you glean is up to you.  Without doubt, some people say "Glenn Beck said it, it must be true" while others worship Jon Stewart or believe every word Media Matters prints.   However, it's patently ridiculous to say "I don't use this form of media because it's slanted."    That really comes off as unintelligent and narrow-minded.   I don't think you are but that's how it sounds.   Personally, I don't care if you watch TV.  I don't care if you even own a TV.   I just think it's silly to dismiss it as a legitimate news source.
8/21/2011 10:54 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/21/2011 10:54:00 AM (view original):
Posted by willgibson on 8/21/2011 9:56:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/21/2011 6:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by willgibson on 8/20/2011 11:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/20/2011 8:32:00 PM (view original):
swampy is somewhat on track.  I'm getting the "I'm too educated to watch TV news" from will.

I think I said it earlier but you can find **** on the tube, on the radio and in any number of print sources.   Get the information from wherever and do what you need to do with it. 
That's funny because I'm getting a "here's why lefties can play second base" vibe from you.
They can.  They won't do it very well but they can.   Of course, someone with a narrow view of the world, someone who thinks TV is an evil news source with no redeeming value, wouldn't think they could.
loll -- yes, that's exactly what I said. 

Look, it's fine if you want to drive a Chevrolet rather than a Mercedes, that's your choice. Or have their kids attend community college rather than an Ivy League school. But this whole notion that all information sources are created equally is about as plausible as a lefty playing second base. 

I don't think television news is evil -- I think most of it is a waste of time that can be occasionally amusing. Much like some of the posters in this thread.
loll -- yes, that's exactly what I said. 

Look, it's fine if you want to limit your news sources rather than expand your possibilities, that's your choice.   But, as has been said numerous times, what you do with the information you glean is up to you.  Without doubt, some people say "Glenn Beck said it, it must be true" while others worship Jon Stewart or believe every word Media Matters prints.   However, it's patently ridiculous to say "I don't use this form of media because it's slanted."    That really comes off as unintelligent and narrow-minded.   I don't think you are but that's how it sounds.   Personally, I don't care if you watch TV.  I don't care if you even own a TV.   I just think it's silly to dismiss it as a legitimate news source.
No it wasn't what I said but you appear to be well versed in making it up as you go along. But anyway you are correct that I do limit my choices. That's something most adults do because they do have a limited amount of time so they make decisions based on the quality of service or product they receive, which is information in the case of media. I pay to subscribe to different newspapers and magazines rather than buying cable packages that include FOX and MSNBC. I make that choice based on past experience. It's a win-win for me because not only am I limiting myself in exposing to ******* like Rush, Beck, Olbermann, I'm not subsidizing the salaries of said mike chimps.

Obviously, given the amount you post in this forum, you've clearly got more time on your hands than I do as well as develop your skills at sophistry. You've not yet articulated how you bother to inform yourself, which, given your insights, doesn't surprise me.

In the meantime, I'll give you an example of why I make the choices that I do. Here's a link to a recent post by Jennifer Rubin on Paul Ryan, touting his presidential prospects. You'll note several links to different forms of media including a very good debate between New York Times columnist David Brooks and Ryan at the American Enterprise Institute. Whatever your position on Ryan or opinion on Brooks, ******* like Rush, Olbermann, Beck and others don't get invited to these grown-up political events. That's because policy makers recognize they are entertainers rather than serious pundits. You'd be better off watching South Park, something that I quite enjoy. Not only are they more entertaining, you will be treated to far more insights than a month of listening to Rush.
8/21/2011 4:12 PM
Tsk, tsk.  You come off as a pompous ******* in that last post.    I'm not surprised as I was waiting for it.   That's the vibe you were giving off with the "I don't utilize television as a news source" comments.   It's the sort of thing that associated with the guy who imports his cigarettes from Europe or only drinks 1979 Chablis,  That is not a compliment(in case you didn't know).

Despite being a full-fledged adult, I do have a lot of free time.   I work smart as opposed to hard.   That affords one a lot more free time.  As for how I inform myself, I utilize all news sources.   A topic isn't pointless just because Kiran Chetry or Brian Kilmeade comment on it.  Nor does their comment have to be the final word.   I'm quite sure you've heard of the internet.    If not, look it up.  There's lots of information on it.   If you read or hear something and you'd like more opinions or details, you can look it up.  You'll find more information and, unfortunately for you, more opinions. 

BTW, WifS is owned by FOX.   If you're feeding money to WifS, you're funneling money to FOX.  FOX pays those ******* you can bear to hear.
8/21/2011 4:49 PM
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