Posted by jrd_x on 6/5/2012 11:10:00 AM (view original):
But that's not a harm from same sex marriage, that's a harm from the way you offer benefits.  You aren't required to cover the cost of spousal insurance.  You offer the benefit, I'm assuming, because you want to attract good employees.

And, in California at least, gay marriage doesn't change who is eligible for employer health insurance, since domestic partnerships are already in place and already grant the same insurance benefits as marriage.

The harm comes because the laws changed.    Do you really not understand this?

The economy is tough.   Small businesses watch their money because they have to.    It's not the same for IBM.    Increasing benefit cost by 10% might doom a small business whereas IBM can either bury it or charge the consumer more. 

Get it?

Posted by jrd_x on 6/5/2012 11:15:00 AM (view original):
Do you consider marriage and domestic partnership the same thing?

Posted by jrd_x on 6/5/2012 11:28:00 AM (view original):
Do you not get it that the benefits you offer are up to you? You don't have to cover the cost of spousal insurance.

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/5/2012 11:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 6/5/2012 11:28:00 AM (view original):
Do you not get it that the benefits you offer are up to you? You don't have to cover the cost of spousal insurance.

Do you have a job?   When you were seeking this job, assuming you have one, did benefits come into play?

Of course, the business owner can change or remove benefits.   However, that will affect morale and/or quality of employee.   

Why would we choose to kill a business so 3%(I think that's the number you used) can get married?  

What's more important to you?    SSM or the economic recovery of America?

Posted by jrd_x on 6/5/2012 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/5/2012 11:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 6/5/2012 11:28:00 AM (view original):
Do you not get it that the benefits you offer are up to you? You don't have to cover the cost of spousal insurance.

Do you have a job?   When you were seeking this job, assuming you have one, did benefits come into play?

Of course, the business owner can change or remove benefits.   However, that will affect morale and/or quality of employee.   

Why would we choose to kill a business so 3%(I think that's the number you used) can get married?  

What's more important to you?    SSM or the economic recovery of America?

This is just like those direct tv commercials. "don't end up dead in a ditch, get direct tv. " this is a ridiculous argument. 3 million people get married every year. It costs businesses far more insuring those people and their future kids. The amount of gay couples getting married who don't already have benefits through their own jobs or through domestic partnership benefits is a tiny percentage. This isn't a harm from gay marriage, it's a harm from the way you CHOSE to do business.

Posted by jrd_x on 6/5/2012 11:34:00 AM (view original):
You don't consider it the same, neither do the same sex couples that want to get married.

Spousal benefits isn't last in a long, long line of expenses that need to be accounted for by small businesses.    But I'm sure you don't know that. 

As I said, you don't get to decide what's important for everyone.  Yes, you may be a big supporter of SSM.   But that support doesn't allow you to run every business in the world that could/would be affected by it. 

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/5/2012 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Spousal benefits isn't last in a long, long line of expenses that need to be accounted for by small businesses.    But I'm sure you don't know that. 

As I said, you don't get to decide what's important for everyone.  Yes, you may be a big supporter of SSM.   But that support doesn't allow you to run every business in the world that could/would be affected by it. 

Posted by tecwrg on 6/5/2012 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 6/5/2012 11:34:00 AM (view original):
You don't consider it the same, neither do the same sex couples that want to get married.

So people should be able to **** in the face of tradition just because they want to?

What "benefit" do they get from being married as opposed to being involved in a legal domestic partnership that provides all the exact same financial benefits that marriage provides?