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So you disagree that interest rates below the inflation rate are negative?
6/14/2012 7:09 PM
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Do you really need me to answer that?

1 is less than 2. Does that make 1 negative?
6/14/2012 7:21 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/14/2012 7:21:00 PM (view original):
Do you really need me to answer that?

1 is less than 2. Does that make 1 negative?
If I loan you $1000 at 1% a year interest and inflation is 2% a year, what is my return??? 
6/14/2012 7:26 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 7:09:00 PM (view original):
So you disagree that interest rates below the inflation rate are negative?
We disagree with your thought process, because we, unlike you, know it's wrong.
At least 3 (without looking through all this crap) or more people, tried to offer you a
little guidance.  Not, to tell you how it all is, but to point you in the right direction.
Like I said many times, you, have a lot of reading to do.  And yet, you are insistent
on looking more and more foolish with every post.

tec & Mike,
If you're going to keep entertaining him, make him go back to "The Business with
$1 Million".  You gave him a BIG free pass with that.  Businesses do not spend
money (capital), just to spend it.  Every business is IN business "to make money".
You allowed him to bypass your points, and jump straight to his own Supply & Demand
spin.
He has it in his head that, if he strings you along long enough, you'll see things his way
and jump on board.  He's not understanding how screwed up his shadowed logic is.
Nor does he understand that you can't sway what you know to be true.
6/14/2012 7:43 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/14/2012 7:21:00 PM (view original):
Do you really need me to answer that?

1 is less than 2. Does that make 1 negative?
If I loan you $1000 at 1% a year interest and inflation is 2% a year, what is my return??? 
It's NOT $1000 + 3% like you're thinking.
It's still $1000 + 1%
THAT IS YOUR RETURN!
6/14/2012 7:47 PM
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I was giving him a pass because I assumed that he understands that businesses spend money in hopes of making more money.   Not some altruistic cause like jumpstarting the economy.
6/14/2012 7:47 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 5:17:00 PM (view original):
Those fixed income seniors were also affected to the same degree by lower interest rates.

Loosening capital at a time when the economy is slumping due to a lack of demand is necessary.  Inflation is just an extension of lowered interest rates.  As things get better, the fed can tighten things up, backing off the inflation and raising rates.
Fixed income people aren't saving anything.   
6/14/2012 7:48 PM
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Posted by OSU_Buckeye on 6/14/2012 7:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/14/2012 7:21:00 PM (view original):
Do you really need me to answer that?

1 is less than 2. Does that make 1 negative?
If I loan you $1000 at 1% a year interest and inflation is 2% a year, what is my return??? 
It's NOT $1000 + 3% like you're thinking.
It's still $1000 + 1%
THAT IS YOUR RETURN!
Yeah, genius, and I lose 2% to inflation so my return is negative 1%.
6/14/2012 7:51 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2012 7:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 5:17:00 PM (view original):
Those fixed income seniors were also affected to the same degree by lower interest rates.

Loosening capital at a time when the economy is slumping due to a lack of demand is necessary.  Inflation is just an extension of lowered interest rates.  As things get better, the fed can tighten things up, backing off the inflation and raising rates.
Fixed income people aren't saving anything.   
I was assuming they were drawing income from bond heavy retirement accounts and savings accounts.
6/14/2012 7:52 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 7:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by OSU_Buckeye on 6/14/2012 7:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/14/2012 7:21:00 PM (view original):
Do you really need me to answer that?

1 is less than 2. Does that make 1 negative?
If I loan you $1000 at 1% a year interest and inflation is 2% a year, what is my return??? 
It's NOT $1000 + 3% like you're thinking.
It's still $1000 + 1%
THAT IS YOUR RETURN!
Yeah, genius, and I lose 2% to inflation so my return is negative 1%.
Who the he!! taught you this $hit?
You have such a lack of understanding, it's beyond comical.

Another fine example of a screwed up educational system.  BRAVO
6/14/2012 7:59 PM
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Quote post by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 7:52:00 PM:
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2012 7:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 5:17:00 PM (view original):
Those fixed income seniors were also affected to the same degree by lower interest rates.

Loosening capital at a time when the economy is slumping due to a lack of demand is necessary.  Inflation is just an extension of lowered interest rates.  As things get better, the fed can tighten things up, backing off the inflation and raising rates.
Fixed income people aren't saving anything.   
I was assuming they were drawing income from bond heavy retirement accounts and savings accounts.


ANOTHER one of your flaws.  "Assumption"
6/14/2012 8:02 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 7:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2012 7:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 5:17:00 PM (view original):
Those fixed income seniors were also affected to the same degree by lower interest rates.

Loosening capital at a time when the economy is slumping due to a lack of demand is necessary.  Inflation is just an extension of lowered interest rates.  As things get better, the fed can tighten things up, backing off the inflation and raising rates.
Fixed income people aren't saving anything.   
I was assuming they were drawing income from bond heavy retirement accounts and savings accounts.
I wouldn't make such assumptions.   They're on a fixed income for a reason.
6/14/2012 8:06 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2012 7:47:00 PM (view original):
I was giving him a pass because I assumed that he understands that businesses spend money in hopes of making more money.   Not some altruistic cause like jumpstarting the economy.
Obviously, or policy wouldn't be necessary. It wouldn't be rational for a business to take it upon itself to jump start the economy. Hiring absent demand? Stupid. Same with buying equipment or leasing additional space.

But if that business has a bunch of capital sitting around (and there was/is a ton of capital sitting still), good recession policy would encourage that business to spend it on something.
6/14/2012 8:59 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 7:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by OSU_Buckeye on 6/14/2012 7:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 6/14/2012 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/14/2012 7:21:00 PM (view original):
Do you really need me to answer that?

1 is less than 2. Does that make 1 negative?
If I loan you $1000 at 1% a year interest and inflation is 2% a year, what is my return??? 
It's NOT $1000 + 3% like you're thinking.
It's still $1000 + 1%
THAT IS YOUR RETURN!
Yeah, genius, and I lose 2% to inflation so my return is negative 1%.
Your return may be negative 1%.  That doesn't make the interest rate negative, which is what you were saying.

if you're unable to articulate what you are attempting to say when participating in a discussion, then maybe you should refrain from participating in any discussions because you just end up looking like a jackass.  Just like you've done here.
6/14/2012 9:31 PM
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I'm still not sure what exactly you disagree with.

You agree that loose monetary policy is necessary to increase demand.
But you don't agree that the fed increasing inflation to a rate of 4 or 5 percent is a way to do it?
6/14/2012 9:50 PM
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