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sergei91
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who are you talking to?
2/18/2015 7:28 AM
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If you read the post  in order you will figure it out.
2/18/2015 7:51 AM
tecwrg
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I'm impressed that you're able to post with that "one smart owner"s dick in your mouth.
2/18/2015 7:54 AM
sergei91
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lulz
2/18/2015 7:59 AM
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Not to involve myself in this ******* match, which means I'm about to involve myself in this ******* match, I checked his trade history.   The 16 most recent deals, dating back to S26, were with unsuccessful owners(sub .500 career).  Many of them had limited experience.   The last deal he made with an owner over .500 was with the OP 8 seasons ago.   Whether or not they were "bad", I can't say.  I didn't bother to evaluate each deal.   But he is finding those who don't understand the game as well to be his trade partners.   Make what you will of that.

IMO, if you're trading with a guy who is much better than you, you're "losing" the deal.  Every time.   The question is "By how much?"   Giving up the best player and filling three needs isn't the worst thing but you're losing.  

And, yeah, when a successful/experienced owner does a 3-1 with an unsuccessful/inexperienced owner, I'm pretty sure I know who won.   

2/18/2015 8:14 AM
sergei91
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is it 'one smart owner'?
2/18/2015 8:21 AM
MikeT23
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If "smart" = "finding trade partners who aren't as smart".

2/18/2015 8:26 AM
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But on the other hand, if none of the individual trades was lopsided enough for ten owners ( or however many are needed) to click the veto button, then there is not much you can do, is there?
2/18/2015 9:07 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/18/2015 8:14:00 AM (view original):
Not to involve myself in this ******* match, which means I'm about to involve myself in this ******* match, I checked his trade history.   The 16 most recent deals, dating back to S26, were with unsuccessful owners(sub .500 career).  Many of them had limited experience.   The last deal he made with an owner over .500 was with the OP 8 seasons ago.   Whether or not they were "bad", I can't say.  I didn't bother to evaluate each deal.   But he is finding those who don't understand the game as well to be his trade partners.   Make what you will of that.

IMO, if you're trading with a guy who is much better than you, you're "losing" the deal.  Every time.   The question is "By how much?"   Giving up the best player and filling three needs isn't the worst thing but you're losing.  

And, yeah, when a successful/experienced owner does a 3-1 with an unsuccessful/inexperienced owner, I'm pretty sure I know who won.   

It is possible that both owners get what they want. The bottom line for me is the owner in question has a plan and he works it. Nothing about it is cheating and nothing keeps any other owner from working to improve his/her own club as opposed to crying about someone else. On your point that owners who play the game longer have more experience than younger owners I agree. That said we all have to learn. What gripes me is when owners sit on their hands and cry about someone else out working them or joining a world with out doing their home work and crying about it 1/3 of a season in.
2/18/2015 9:11 AM
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Posted by sgmedia on 2/18/2015 9:07:00 AM (view original):
But on the other hand, if none of the individual trades was lopsided enough for ten owners ( or however many are needed) to click the veto button, then there is not much you can do, is there?
Leaving the world is your only recourse.

Those tend to be the worlds that have Classified threads every season with "only need nine to get started!!!" as a consistent theme.

2/18/2015 9:13 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 2/18/2015 7:54:00 AM (view original):
I'm impressed that you're able to post with that "one smart owner"s dick in your mouth.
Nothing show's one's intelligence more so than this type of response.
2/18/2015 9:14 AM
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I've seen this play in action.  It's really up to the 'B' owner's understanding of player value. 

The 'A' owner doesn't spend on anything but IFA, always drafts in the late 20s or 30s.  His IFAs are always top level, he's guaranteed to win the top IFA every year, assuming one comes out.  But with no training or medical, his players who get busted are never as good again.  So he flips them right away.  He also flips any player who starts to earn big money, knowing that player is already used up for his purposes.

He never gets a big payroll, never has a down season, always has top players.  But less than a handful come from his own draft.

Frankly, I looked back over the history and building of such a team, and realized that big IFAs alone aren't enough to make this work.  You have to kill it in trade, and that's where it works.  Every player the 'A' owner trades away is either a first round draft choice, former big money IFA, or former all star with a big injury on his record or a big contract.  The 'B' owner's eyes light up, thinking "wow look who I'm getting."  The 'A' owner gets a player who he never had any shot at acquiring.

It IS very shrewd managing of player value, probably the most efficient use of player value in the game.  BUT IMO it doesn't work to sustain repeated winning unless there is sufficient boning of the 'B' owners in trade.

One former guy who did a trade like this said in world chat that he was just tired of losing.  He never stopped losing and left the league.

Another one, when I asked him in TC why he was trading away the #3 pick in his last draft, said he "didn't think the player would meet his projections."  Really?  'Cause the guy who was trading for him sure did.  SMH.

 

2/18/2015 9:16 AM
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Posted by sgmedia on 2/18/2015 9:07:00 AM (view original):
But on the other hand, if none of the individual trades was lopsided enough for ten owners ( or however many are needed) to click the veto button, then there is not much you can do, is there?
I don't veto BL talent for BL talent deals.    Maybe one guy just crushes it while the other owner gets three nice roster fillers.   My opinion is the 2nd owner needs to be smarter.    But I don't play in worlds where there are that many of the 2nd type of owners.   Because, quite frankly, watching a guy win 115 games for 10 consecutive seasons because he's crushed the dumbasses who don't know any better does not appeal to me.

So, as tec said, one option is to leave the world.   Another option is to teach the dumbasses. 

I'm not going to say it was a "problem", because he wasn't overly dominant during the regular season, but this guy http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/UserProfile.aspx?uid=112807 had an insane run in MG.   I finally said "Why, when deano says "need a LHP" do you dipshits fall all over one another to trade him one?   He's won 5 WS in a row and you keep feeding him whatever he needs.  You have to beat him too, you know."    It's like no one had thought of it but trading got a little harder for him.   He asked to be replaced during ST because he picked up an option on a guy he thought he could trade.  When he couldn't, he got mad and quit.
2/18/2015 9:38 AM
sergei91
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Posted by rmancil on 2/18/2015 9:14:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 2/18/2015 7:54:00 AM (view original):
I'm impressed that you're able to post with that "one smart owner"s dick in your mouth.
Nothing show's one's intelligence more so than this type of response.
shows, not show's
2/18/2015 9:45 AM
MikeT23
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Posted by rmancil on 2/18/2015 9:11:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/18/2015 8:14:00 AM (view original):
Not to involve myself in this ******* match, which means I'm about to involve myself in this ******* match, I checked his trade history.   The 16 most recent deals, dating back to S26, were with unsuccessful owners(sub .500 career).  Many of them had limited experience.   The last deal he made with an owner over .500 was with the OP 8 seasons ago.   Whether or not they were "bad", I can't say.  I didn't bother to evaluate each deal.   But he is finding those who don't understand the game as well to be his trade partners.   Make what you will of that.

IMO, if you're trading with a guy who is much better than you, you're "losing" the deal.  Every time.   The question is "By how much?"   Giving up the best player and filling three needs isn't the worst thing but you're losing.  

And, yeah, when a successful/experienced owner does a 3-1 with an unsuccessful/inexperienced owner, I'm pretty sure I know who won.   

It is possible that both owners get what they want. The bottom line for me is the owner in question has a plan and he works it. Nothing about it is cheating and nothing keeps any other owner from working to improve his/her own club as opposed to crying about someone else. On your point that owners who play the game longer have more experience than younger owners I agree. That said we all have to learn. What gripes me is when owners sit on their hands and cry about someone else out working them or joining a world with out doing their home work and crying about it 1/3 of a season in.
It is possible.  I said as much.   But, if you ever played "King of the Mountain", you didn't get to the top by helping the guy at the top.   The idea is to knock him off not give him something that keeps him there.   It's a simple concept that so many people don't get. 

Again, if you're trading with an owner who's been much more successful than you, you're not winning that trade.    He's successful, you are not.  There's a reason.
2/18/2015 9:45 AM
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