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bunch of whiny *******
5/9/2015 11:52 AM
Posted by joshkvt on 5/9/2015 11:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by peder on 5/9/2015 6:35:00 AM (view original):
Since I am a customer of whatifsports, they should respect me. And not design strategies to screw me and laugh about it. Its $25 yes - but its $25 they want to continue to receive. Don't change the game and tell me I'm **** out of luck.

Whether or not others are in the same boat doesn't matter. Its a genergeneral customer service issue.

"Hey, Mr. Programmer, we've got 500 users on HBD but I'd like to screw one over."
  "No problem. Which one?"
"User name is peder."
  "OK. Let's see, he uses 0 ADV. Maybe we make that a bad thing?"
"Good idea! And we can pretend it's an update designed to make the game better and respond to user ideas."
  "It will take 60 hours of programming time. All told a $5-6K should do it."
"Well worth it! We can keep stealing his $25 and we'll be ahead of the game in no time."
  "What about the other 499 users?"
"They've been clamoring and fussing for updates for years. We can pretend that's the motivation."
  "Won't some of them leave?"
"Can't be helped? As long as we screw peder."
  "Consider it done. Be sure to send him a message that he's *** out of luck."
Haha, this was actually really funny. From now on I'm going to imagine everything HBD does as a conspiracy to screw over players they don't like.
5/9/2015 11:53 AM
Posted by crickett13 on 5/9/2015 11:31:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/8/2015 7:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by crickett13 on 5/8/2015 6:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/8/2015 1:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by crickett13 on 5/8/2015 1:04:00 PM (view original):
I don't agree at all. If there is one ring to rule them all everyone will want it. If adv suddenly becomes the single most important budget item because it is the only budget item that affects 3 other budget items then you are being forced to either 0 out everything, after all why scout col, hs or int if you wont see decent ratings anyway, or max out adv.
I'm not bothering to check another owner but do you have any IFA, HS or College budget that is not 0 or 20?

If you do, your argument has no merit.    If you don't, I'll have to confirm before continuing on with you.
LOL that's complete crap Mike. What I am saying is simple. I have no incentive to stay in a league where I will have a penalty when I can leave and join another league where I have an advantage. I use 0 because it gives me an advantage.
Other than you like your league, that is.

Please move to different worlds.   I don't think your type will be missed.

"BOOHOOHOO!!!!  I CAN'T ADJUST MY BUDGET TO 14M IMMEDIATELY!!!!  I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING TO ANOTHER WORLD WHERE I CAN!!!!!!"


It's that simple.
Season Franchise User Player Prospect Coach Coll. Scout HS Scout Int'l Scout Adv Scout Training Medical
34     131 6 8 0 0 0 0 20 20
34 Charleston Charge MikeT23 125 6 9 0 4 1 0 20 20

Gee I wonder why Mike wants adv to affect all projections. Boo Hoo I gamed the system more than anyone and don't want to be put at a competitive disadvantage.
Did you look at my other worlds?   Or just cherrypick?

MikeT23 106 6 9 14 0 10 0 20 20


BOOHOOHOO!!!!  I'VE WASTED 24M!!!!  I'M GOING TO QUIT THIS WORLD AND START OVER!!!!  BOOHOOHOO!!!!
5/9/2015 12:07 PM

Fact is, I have twice as many teams as you, crickett.   WifS has "screwed me over" twice as bad.   I should be crying twice as much as you.

But I'm not.   You know why?

I'm not a whiney crybaby.

5/9/2015 12:08 PM
I think it's funny that, as much as some people profess to hate Mike's pre-eminence in these discussions, he has simply expressed a guesstimate that has a number of users wound up.

Admin didn't say it, Mike said it, and he didn't even say it definitively. But a bunch have run with it. Now I happen to believe his thought process always seems to have a basis in observation and informed logic. But why get wound up about something Admin never said?


5/9/2015 12:22 PM
Because ADMIN is purposely keeping secrets?
5/9/2015 12:23 PM
BTW, that was sarcasm.    They made an announcement less that 48 hours ago.   They made it almost three weeks before implementation.   They wanted us to discuss so they could monitor it.

For the most part, I see excitement from owners because something "new" is on the horizon.    Then we have half a dozen whiners who've determined that the sky is falling.
5/9/2015 12:25 PM
This is where my speculation comes from:

Top 3, IMO, that aren't user-related issues:

1.  Coach hiring.  Savvy owners don't spend 2m on a hitting/pitching/bench coach because they don't have to.  There are 50 of them at any given time of BL-quality.   This creates a disparity between experienced/inexperienced owners that needs to be addressed.   Keep the rehire process as it is but, once that's over, all unhired coaches go into a pool with no positional/level/salary demands.   Let the owners sort out the levels and positions.   Cap salaries at 4m per coach(players have a max so coaches can) and make FI the most sought after job.  That will prevent jerks like me from hiring all the decent FI as BC so no one else gets one. 

2.  Advance scouting.   Savvy owners don't really need it.    Again, this creates a disparity between those who know and those who don't.  Change ADV to show projections for players NOT on a BL roster.   This would include HS, college, IFA and free agents.    The higher the ADV, the more accurate the projection.    HS/College/IFA budgets will determine how many players you see but will not tell you the quality of them.    IFA demands will need to be standardized(100k is a good starting point) so owners with low ADV won't be tipped off as to their quality.   Players on rosters can have projections based on ADV as it stands now.

3.  Player development.  I'd say it's pretty standard for almost all players.   Owners can make a small difference in maximizing(or completely wreck them) development but a good owner develops players in a pretty standard manner.   Provide some diversity  At least three different patterns.    Have some develop early and max out 2-3 seasons into their careers(18, 6, 1, 0, 0 OVR).  Have some develop slowly and be late bloomers(3, 2, 2, 10, 8).   And keep some the same(11, 7, 4, 2, 1).    The more patterns the better but we need more than one.   Savvy owners can look at a 2nd/3rd year player they're considering in trade and say "This is what he's going to be" with pretty high accuracy.
5/9/2015 12:28 PM
Read what you will into it but it seems to me they are trying to directly address #2 and #3.  

Changing ADV to only affect rostered players will NOT encourage owners to move off of zero. 
5/9/2015 12:29 PM
FWIW, it's probably the only thread in the Suggestions Forum where no one said "That idea sucks".
5/9/2015 12:37 PM
I disagree Mike. 

I think that IF the development is not so formulaic AND you can't see historical ratings, some owners will start to move away from 0, because they want more accurate projected when they trade away their vets for prospects.

MANY owners use this strategy almost exclusively. I'm far more inclined to believe they would come up on their ADV setting rather than to abandon their "sure-fired" method of "rebuilding".

Certainly there will be many who are fine without that info and will stand pat, but I think WifS would implement those two changes first and see how much it moves the needle overall. 

We'll see...

5/9/2015 12:38 PM
Again - I'm in favor of the changes. Its how I believe the game should have been played all along. Just think if we find out ADV is a lot more important, we should be given the opportunity to adjust. Simple as that. I have no problem with updates or the game changing - just with not being given an opportunity to fully adjust to the new format for several seasons.
5/9/2015 12:39 PM
How long did it take you to "fully adjust" to the 0 ADV strategy?
5/9/2015 12:40 PM
Unless the development patterns are WIDELY varied, I think you're wrong.

If we see players improve 8-10 points at 29 instead of being pretty much developed after 5 pro years, you're right.   But that means projections will no longer match current at 27.  I don't think that's going to happen.    Maybe we just need to see a huge development in some players during their 5th-6th pro season to get owners moving to ADV.   Either way, I think many of the 0 ADV guys will stand pat.   I know I will because, in my worlds, prying a prospect away from an owner is akin to asking for their first born son.   Dropping 15m into ADV and paying a king's ransom for a prospect is a losing proposition.
5/9/2015 12:46 PM
Posted by mchales_army on 5/9/2015 12:40:00 PM (view original):
How long did it take you to "fully adjust" to the 0 ADV strategy?
He's not a 0 with either of his teams.   Looks like he's new to "Get to 0 ADV" strategy. 
5/9/2015 12:48 PM
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