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Posted by damag on 2/15/2016 11:41:00 AM (view original):
Actually - just saying this for the sake of conversation, so if I'm wrong let me know - I just realized I kind of do have one absolute.  Just looking at a pitcher on the WW and I've never seen a pitcher with a P1 under 70 I'll take a shot on.  I bring this up because usually I've seen old pitchers who still have good splits but their pitch ratings die before their splits.  Once a guy's P1 drops below 70 - unless he's a HOF stud - I think he's kinda done.



Player Profile: Raul Gonzalez - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports is a good example.   His ratings are falling like a rock and he's not a serviceable pitcher at this point.   Looking for to another season of this.
2/15/2016 2:05 PM
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Perfect example. Still decent OVR and splits but you see those in-season drops, four or five per season. By the end of the season he ends up performing completely differently from the start.

2/15/2016 3:17 PM
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Posted by damag on 2/15/2016 11:41:00 AM (view original):
Actually - just saying this for the sake of conversation, so if I'm wrong let me know - I just realized I kind of do have one absolute.  Just looking at a pitcher on the WW and I've never seen a pitcher with a P1 under 70 I'll take a shot on.  I bring this up because usually I've seen old pitchers who still have good splits but their pitch ratings die before their splits.  Once a guy's P1 drops below 70 - unless he's a HOF stud - I think he's kinda done.



https://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=4540070

Is a SP5....... Or at least he would be if I didn't have the best rotation in the league.
2/15/2016 6:23 PM
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Posted by hockey1984 on 2/15/2016 6:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by damag on 2/15/2016 11:41:00 AM (view original):
Actually - just saying this for the sake of conversation, so if I'm wrong let me know - I just realized I kind of do have one absolute.  Just looking at a pitcher on the WW and I've never seen a pitcher with a P1 under 70 I'll take a shot on.  I bring this up because usually I've seen old pitchers who still have good splits but their pitch ratings die before their splits.  Once a guy's P1 drops below 70 - unless he's a HOF stud - I think he's kinda done.



https://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=4540070

Is a SP5....... Or at least he would be if I didn't have the best rotation in the league.
Long reliever on a very short leash, is what my experience has been.

I may be in a pitcher's park, but you're in San Diego.


2/15/2016 7:19 PM
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Pitcher with under 70 first pitch that I assume everyone would take
2/16/2016 1:37 AM
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Well, there is your "never say never". I assure you I haven't seen a player like that at all before, certainly not one so young. I figured the system simply would not generate one like him.

2/16/2016 6:05 AM
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Gawd! Even with a 2nd pitch under 70 he's still an ace.
2/16/2016 10:59 AM
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Posted by sjpoker on 2/15/2016 5:43:00 AM (view original):
The only absolute I have is no control under 50. I haven't seen a pitcher yet that can overcome the under-50 control rating. And if there are examples, they are FAR and FEW between.
There are obviously some examples I guess. But I haven't encountered any like them. If I do, I'm sure I'll discount the under-50 control. So I guess I will call it 'near-absolute'.
2/16/2016 2:03 PM
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