Keep digging that hole

I love how you say it's unconventional.  Like you're the only one who gets it, it's everyone else who's crazy!

You're so cutting edge MikeT23.  I think you're a modern day Buckminster Fuller

Years from now we'll look back and remember this thread as when MikeT23 invented a new form of math, one without rules where you change the answers to fit your arguments, no more strict rules like you learned in school.  I really think the kids will embrace it!!

5 decisions to change a team from 15-5 to 5-15, this is what you seriously believe?

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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/19/2010 5:08:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, it really does.   The difference between 5-15 and 15-5 is five decisions.  If you don't think a couple of players can cost you 5 decisions, I don't know what game you're playing. 

You do realize that the game isn't set up to make sure you win/lose 5 games over 162, right?  Those five games can come be grouped.    Especially since, you know, you play 3-4 games series

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/21/2010 9:21:00 AM (view original):
Keep insisting that you're right when you're clearly wrong.

Change the result of one game.   Don't add games.    Very simple.

Funny no one is coming to defense of your funny math.

However there is this;

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
~Jonathan Swift (Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting)

Maybe MikeT23 is one of the true geniuses Swift spoke of, they turn up in the funniest places!

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/21/2010 9:32:00 AM (view original):
You're funny.   I don't really care if you agree with me.   It's supremely important to you that you're right.   You're not.    5 decisions is a 10 game swing.   But keep on going.   I find it amusing.

I know you don't care if I agree with you, but I really do like watching a blowhard like you dig your own hole.

The fact that you can't do basic math or logic reasoning really hurts your case as Mr. Hardball Dynasty

It's the following statement that you won't back off that is crazy

Do you stand by the following statement?  That is without restating it as something completely different, which you already tried to do. 

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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/19/2010 5:08:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, it really does.   The difference between 5-15 and 15-5 is five decisions.  If you don't think a couple of players can cost you 5 decisions, I don't know what game you're playing. 

You do realize that the game isn't set up to make sure you win/lose 5 games over 162, right?  Those five games can come be grouped.    Especially since, you know, you play 3-4 games series

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Btw, I've quoted this at least a dozen times I haven't even mentioned the second paragraph of this quote.  Probably because I'm not even sure if it's English.  What does this paragraph even mean?  "Those five games can come be grouped"  I'm not gonna harp on a typo but that's not why I'm pointing it out, I can't even figure out what you were trying to say. 

Since I finally mentioned it, I'll start leaving that second paragraph out when I quote it in the future, and believe me this isn't the last time I'm quoting that.  It's too awesome.

Mike, thank you for coming back to this thread, I really was afraid you wouldn't.  You have not disappointed!

It sounds like Schuyler is starting at 15-5 or 5-15. There is a difference of 10 games between those two. If you start at 10 - 10. It is a difference of 5 games to get to either 5-15 or 15-5.

I am just trying to figure out how he gets 10 decisions with a 10-10 starting point.

I think the real disconnect here is that Mike seems to dealing in the context of 20 results between the same two teams. Every time two teams play each other, the result of the single decision IS a difference of 2 games between those teams in the standings. (ie, if team A was one game back going in, they will be even with a win, 2 back with a loss).

We, to this point, have been dealing with raw records ie - if you should have gone with your best roster 10-10 and drop 5 extra games because you're screwing around with your roster, you're 5-15, only a difference of 5 games from where you should have been. The 15-5 isn't relevant because there's no decisions here that would move you up from a baseline.

The truth of the scenario is somewhere in the middle, since you aren't playing the same team all 20 games, but you are playing 3-4 games against teams in the division.

5 decisions in 20 games isn't going to cost you 10 games in the standings in this instance, but they are the right 5 decisions (ie 4 games to a division rival plus another), yeah it could could come close.

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/21/2010 10:27:00 AM (view original):
It's not really a disconnect as much as I don't believe I have any control in a game between, for instance, you and schuyler.   So I assume the worst result(a win by the team I need to gain ground on).   As far as the rest of it, if a couple of players can provide you 5 extra wins in those 20 games, the result of them not being on the team would be losses. 

And, for the record, over the course of 162, I don't think two players will make a 40 games difference in your record.   But we don't play averages over 162, we play inidividual games.   I do think two players can have a positive/negative effect in 5 of 20 games very easily.

Right, the result of them not being on my team would be the difference between me winning 10 and me winning 5, not me winning 15 and me winning 5.

But now that I understand what you're saying, it's actually impossible to lose a full 10 games in the standings to any one team via changing 5 decisions in the current scenario of taking the first 20 games of the year. Worst case is you get swept in a 4 game series (that you would have swept with the right players) and only lose one other game you should have won, which means you lost 5 extra games and gave extra 4 wins to a team you're chasing, for a 9 game swing. That's the extreme case, you'd probably be looking at more like a 6-7 game swing, but I do understand what you're saying about 5 decisions costing you more than 5 games in the standings.

And I wouldn't say "very easily" about 2 players deciding 5 games, but I'll agree it could happen.