Speed and Stolen Bases Topic

Which is odd, since certainly a 3B coach has far more influence on the in-game tactics and outcome than on player development. It also means there is little incentive to bid high on ML base coaches since most major leaguers are done developing. It's what I figured but still disappointing.
6/25/2010 5:23 PM
Developing minor leaguers.
6/25/2010 5:24 PM
I thought the only ML coach that affected MiL development was the FI.  So 1B and 3B coaches affect MiL development, too?
6/25/2010 5:30 PM
I'm thinking, yes.
6/25/2010 5:48 PM

Or is it the minor league hitting coach that effects minor leaguers baserunning development.  Good question, I'll see what I can find.

6/25/2010 6:34 PM
Posted by buckeye_jg on 6/25/2010 5:30:00 PM (view original):
I thought the only ML coach that affected MiL development was the FI.  So 1B and 3B coaches affect MiL development, too?
wow, yeah great question
6/25/2010 7:21 PM
Posted by buckeye_jg on 6/25/2010 5:30:00 PM (view original):
I thought the only ML coach that affected MiL development was the FI.  So 1B and 3B coaches affect MiL development, too?
according to help, no..the ML 1B/3B coaches affect ML baserunning and hitting development...the MiL Bench coach would be the coach that affects MiL baserunning skills...the FI is the only coach that affects development at all levels
6/25/2010 7:28 PM
Yes, but I don't necessarily trust the what it written in the help section.
6/25/2010 11:22 PM
Source #1 from Date: Friday, December 01, 2006 .

Do all coah ratings impact a team's performance, or just the ratings relevant to each coaches individual role (ie. will having a ML fielding coach with a high batting rating have a positive effect on your team, or no effect at all, all other things being equal)? (will_prosper - Hall of Famer - 1:20 PM)

Fielding instructors only impact fielding ratings. At the minor league levels, bench coaches impact all ratings. 1B and 3B coaches impact both baserunning and hitting ratings. Hitting coaches impact hitting ratings at the big league level and both hitting and baserunning ratings at the lower levels. Pitching and bullpen coaches focus strictly on pitching ratings.


I have never been sure how to measure coaches' contribution to player (and team) performance. I understand that lower level coaches influence player develepment , but do the quality of coaches influence current results , as well ? For example, if you have a terrible ML hitting coach , could that cause your ML hitters to be underperformers vis a vis their current ratings ? If so , is the effect a significant one ? If you have awful base coaches , will the team tend to make baserunning mistakes ? (tegesta - All-Star - 12:27 PM)

Coaches directly impact player development. So, when you look at your Player Profile and notice that a player's ratings changed, the coaches play a role in that development. Along with the coaching staff, a player's age, makeup rating, performance and playing time also play a role. Your players always play at the level associated with their displayed ratings. We plan on introducing some better ways to show how a coach has performed, sort of like stats for coaches.


Editorial Note: It's been almost 4 years. How are those "better ways to show how a coach has performed, sort of like stats for coaches" coming?


Source #2 from Date: Thursday, January 10, 2008.

Are pickoff plays the result of a ratings-influenced event in the game? If they are, is it the rating of the defense (pitcher, catcher, etc.) or the offense (baserunner, perhaps even 3B coach) that cause the PK? (Braziman - Hall of Famer - 3:33 PM)

It's based on the pitcher arm, base, baserunner baserunning rating, and game situation. Base coach input isn't a part of it, but it could and probably should be.


And for those who don't go to the HELP, this is what it says:

Coaching Role Description - The big league level requires 7 coaches and each minor league level requires 3 coaches. The fielding instructor is a roving coach that impacts player development at each level. Bench coaches at the minor league level play a role in all facets of player development. Pitching coaches and bullpen coaches impact pitcher ratings. Hitting coaches, 1B coaches and 3B coaches impact hitting and baserunning ratings.
6/26/2010 2:18 AM
OK, here is an answer to this post from someone who built there team on speed and speed alone.  I went out and signed a first base and third base coach with the best baserunning ratings.  I then went and traded for guys with the highest speed rating, baserunning ratings, and contact ratings.  The results were unbelievable, I stole 476 bases and was caught 94 times.  The next closest in my league was270 SB's and caught 76 times.  Despite having the lowest OPS in the league and the second fewest HR's I won my division and made it to the second round of the playoffs with just 2 guys with an overall rating of 80 or higher.  I did change my ballpark to a pitcher friendly park.  Here is an example of my starting lineup: 
I won a lot of 3-2 games this way.  I really did it just to prove people wrong but now I am going to stick with it and see if I can build a world series winner.
6/26/2010 9:49 AM
For some reason it didn't post the player links.  Here is the link to my roster page.  http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/World/TeamRosters.aspx
6/26/2010 9:51 AM
Posted by pitinomen on 6/26/2010 9:49:00 AM (view original ):
I won a lot of 3-2 games this way.  I really did it just to prove people wrong but now I am going to stick with it and see if I can build a world series winner.

Good job, Whitey!
6/26/2010 10:09 AM (edited)
zbrent...thanks for finding all that.  This is the key phrase:  "Hitting coaches impact hitting ratings at the big league level and both hitting and baserunning ratings at the lower levels" 

So, minor league baserunning development is based on the minor league hiting coach's baserunning IQ.  Never knew this for sure til' now.  Thanks!
6/26/2010 11:08 AM
This guys the best base stealer I have seen in a long time.www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx. I had the 8th best 1st base coach and the 13th best 3rd base coach along with very agressive base stealing.
6/26/2010 7:37 PM
When I spoke about the team I built earlier in this post I did so because I had quite possibly the best basestealer of all time to build around.   http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1270392.  He's not the greatest hitter but he changes the game.  His best season he was 219 out of 223 in steals.  That has to be some kind of a record!
6/27/2010 1:23 AM
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