Has anyone ever played a 3rd baseman with 80/80/60/60ish fielding ratings? Does the bad arm translate to errors or negative plays?
5/31/2010 10:38 AM
Midre Guerrero -- Played 3B season 7 for me and produced 12 + plays with 13 E's and 0 - plays.
5/31/2010 8:00 PM
In my experience, the arm ratings are not nearly as important at 3b as glove and range.
6/1/2010 1:01 PM
I would be interested in more information on this as well, if anyone has other thoughts/experience.  My belief has been that plus plays for third basemen are keyed to range and arm strength; minus plays are keyed to range and arm accuracy; putouts are keyed to range and glove; and assists are keyed to range, arm strength and arm accuracy.  But I really have no statistics or information to inform this opinion.  Does anyone else?












6/28/2010 5:43 PM
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1588502

23 negative plays at 3B in 107 games.  Notice anything wrong with him?
6/28/2010 6:54 PM
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2700565

9 negative plays in 45 starts(444 innings) at 3B.
6/28/2010 6:56 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/28/2010 6:54:00 PM (view original):
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1588502

23 negative plays at 3B in 107 games.  Notice anything wrong with him?
Stop picking on lefties!  
6/28/2010 7:13 PM
[URL=http://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1052600]Jerome Sobkowiak[/URL]

hasn't had a huge problem with his weak arm - errors per 162 translate a little high, but you can get away with it.
6/28/2010 7:30 PM
Haywood Twitchell

good example...50 arm strength

Have experimented with him a few times over the years...may try again...Season 13 he had 5 negative plays in 132 games, he has none in the other 90 games of his career...strange...

overall his fielding is below average, range is ok
6/29/2010 12:59 AM
This does, of course, beg the question whether defensive deficiencies or positive attributes impact fielding in any way other than (+), (-), and errors. To my knowledge, it hasn't been definitively answered either way by CS/Admin/Developers.
6/29/2010 1:34 AM
I still think arm strength might make an appearance in your 3B's assist numbers.  But I have no idea how to quantify the effect.  It would make sense that arm strength contributes a certain percentage likelihood that your 3B converts a ground ball into an out.  But what percentage?  And how much, over the course of a season, would it really matter?  How much range and glove, and/or bat, is necessary to compensate for a poor arm?

There are a lot of moving pieces involved in converting an out on a throw from third, and I have no idea how the sim engine would profile/handicap that event.  Does the pitcher generate a lot of groundballs?  How often do those groundballs make their way to third (lefty versus righty hitter, does the pitcher's stuff tail toward or away from the batter, how pull heavy are the batters)?  What is the 3B's range and glove rating...how often to they convert chances at balls in play into chances at an out?  What is the batter's speed rating?  How well does he run the bases, is he likely to get a good jump out of the box?  How strong is the 3B's arm?  How accurate?  What are the chances that the 1B digs out a one-hopper?  How often does the 1B make an error?  Is the missed out at first the result of a weak throw, an inaccurate throw or an error at first?

I do not know how the sim engine processes these likelihoods.  But I do assume that a stronger arm (assuming at least average range and glove) results in higher than average assists.  And my world that seems to be true.  Sorting the season stats by assist, the leaders all have plus arm strength.  Those same players also tend to be high on the double play list.  And those with the fewest assists have either a weak arm or below average range/glove.  

Errors do not seem to be impacted by arm strength.  Nor do plus/minus plays.

Again, though, I have no idea how to quantify the results.  So I don't know how much range/glove or bat is needed to make up for the noodle arm.
6/29/2010 9:56 AM
You can check your world's league leaders and get a rough idea of RF for 3B.     The high end is going to be 3.5 with #25 coming in around 3.    The guys with the lower Fld% usually have the lesser glove and the ones with the negative plays have arm issues.   Come to your own conclusions of the value of the ratings.
6/29/2010 10:12 AM
IMO, here's how they work:
Range determines if he can get to the ball(could lead to a negative play).
Glove determines if he can field the ball cleanly(could lead to an error).
Arm strength determines if he can make the throw if he fields the ball cleanly(could lead to a negative play).
Arm accuracy determines if he can make an accurate throw if he fields the ball cleanly and has the A/S to get the runner(could lead to an error).

As you can see, the result also works in the order listed.  Nothing can happen until the previous rating is applied.   In my opinion, of course.
6/29/2010 10:17 AM

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