Some general draft discussion:

I know everyone wants to draft the best SP, SS, or bat they can, especially towards the top of the draft, but I was wondering how high is too high to draft someone I think will be a RP or sorts?  I draft 3 for this draft, and most of the top arms all seem to be destined for the pen due to projected stamina ratings of less than 60.  

Here's Pitcher A:
20 year old righty, 66 overall projects to 85. 
stamina:  48/59,     durability:  30/32,     health:  89/98,     control:  79/99,     VL:  67/81,     VR: 68/85,     velocity: 81/94,     GB/FB:  71/83,     P1:  68/84,     P2:  71/82,     P3:  39/51,     P4:  53/62


Pitcher B:  ratings in same order as pitcher A's
19 years old, lefty  63/84
stamina:  40/54,     18/21,     71/80,     control:  73/86,     VL:  77/98,     VR:  77/91,     vel:  80/92,     GB/FB:  86/99,     P1:  78/88,  P2:  67/78

I've got $17M in college scouting, $13 in HS. 

Am I right to believe these two pitchers are bullpen help?  They don't look like they'll be able to handle a starters workload.  Pitcher B's durability and health really scares me.  Really looks like a pitcher who will threw 2 or 3 innings about once/week.  Anything else would be gravy.  Pitcher A at least appears like he'll be able to pitch a couple of times per week.  

I think #3 is too high for either of these two. There are some other good potential draftees out there for my spot, but was just curious to see if I'm reading these two right and to see what everyone thought.  

Thanks for the help! 

i agree that 3 is too high in most drafts.  i wouldn't consider the second pitcher.  the first one maybe, but only if nothing else is out there at 3.

If you would ever take a reliever at #3, these are the guys. I get 100 IP out of guys with DU=21, ST=54 or close to it all the time, and you can get high leverage innings either as a SuA or a 2 inning closer, depending on the rest of your pen. The other guy can give you 140 IP in an SuA role. And they're both Studs. And they could actually reach those projections. I'd take A over B, but either of them over anything other than a truly excellent player at a key defensive position, or a true SP1.

thanks guys.  That was one reason I mentioned them, because even though they are RP's, their splits and other ratings seem to indicate that they will be outstanding ones.  There are some starters and bats available as well, but I'm not sure they'd have the impact either of these RP would.  Basically a #3 SP and OF types.  So, I'm weighing that idea, stud RP's Vs. mid rotation SP's Vs solid, but probably not All-Star position players. 

I traded for this guy last year

Pablo_Bonilla

His Dur/Stamina ratings are higher, so you may not be able to get as many innings as I did (about 150 in a SUA role last year) but he has a similar skill set as those guys project to.  He was the 5th selection on the Cy Young list last year, despite having a limited number of saves (I used a 1 inning reliever for that role since I knew I could count on Bonilla more often).

Depending on the rest of the draft, I'd have no problem drafting either at 3.  I'd definently go A over B, but unless there is an all-star level starter or an all star level SS or CF, or a once in a generation bat, these guys would be at the top of my draft.  I wouldn't take an ordinary bat or an ordinary starter just because these guys won't give you as many innings as a starter.  Depending on your age, if you remember the Nasty Boys of the Reds bullpen circa 1990 they turned and ordinary Reds team into a WS champion because they essentially turned every game into a 7 inning affair.  Once the Reds got to the 7th inning or later with the lead, the game was pretty much over with Dibble, Meyers and Norm Charlton sharing back of the bullpen duties.  I think all 3 of those guys made multiple all-star games at one point.  Pair up one of those 2 w/ another solid reliever and you can turn your team into much of the same.  Allow your starter to be pulled a little quicker if they run into trouble, and shut down the opposition from the 7th inning thru the 9th.

I'm not sure where some of these guys are getting 60-100 IP from those guys but I think you can get 150-160 from A and 120-130 from B.    Both can be 5-6 inning SP.   If I can cover 1/10th of my innings with a really good pitcher, I get that pitcher with the 3rd pick unless there's another player or two that blows me away.  I damn sure take those two over any corner player who isn't going to be a perennial All-Star.

You could start guys like that if you have a deep pen.  For instance, http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1981867

I use all of these as SP:

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2721214
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=904290 delegated to BP duty this season due to poor BP depth
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1197359

Posted by new on 7/8/2010 8:54:00 AM (view original):
You could start guys like that if you have a deep pen.  For instance, http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1981867

Let's not forget Nunez.  new makes a living off of these guys and kills Ott.  Of course, it helps when you have someone like Lee throwing 150 innings a year out of your bullpen for a lot of those seasons.  :)

i should also say that i place a huge premium on relievers... and i still think 3 is most likely too high for these guys.  is there really nothing else out there?

Well, you can't really say that without knowing what else is out there, can you?

I agree with Mike. In Powers, Im trying to build my team with stud relievers that can shut teams down from the 6th inning on every night. I'll take a 5 inning starter for every 5th game if my team is built to support that. Pitcher A would be perfect.

Thanks again all.  There's other players out there to consider, I was just curious about the thoughts on those two, since the bulk of their ratings are very good. 

Posted by dmurphy104 on 7/8/2010 10:17:00 AM (view original):
I agree with Mike. In Powers, Im trying to build my team with stud relievers that can shut teams down from the 6th inning on every night. I'll take a 5 inning starter for every 5th game if my team is built to support that. Pitcher A would be perfect.

It's a pretty simple concept for me.   When I take over a team in an established league, good SP are hard to get.  So I try to find the best pitching I can get.  Often it's the "tweener" guys who just don't have SP DUR/STM.   So I end up with 2-4 25/52-60 pitchers as SP.   After that, you build a bullpen.  It works well enough.