Hold the Ace SP Prospect in AAA, 3rd Pro Season? Topic

plague
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I think its the other way around. You are doing the world a dis-service by continuing the same path of giving the better teams a competitive advantage. I would rather see rebuild teams keep their young players in the minors and fully develop, rather  than bring them to the majors early  placing a negative impact to that teams future ability when those players best seasons are getting paid a premium, while the top teams can get take advantage of their top prospects best seasons at the league minimum. That is how the top teams win, they have the depth to let their best prospects fully develop.

If the player is good enough  too make my team I always bring them up their 5th season even if I am not a WS contender, I am talking about bringing players up their 3rd season and earlier.

9/12/2010 10:39 PM (edited)
bluegreyjay
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Posted by deanod on 9/11/2010 1:53:00 PM (view original):
If he's going to play a significant role on your ML, call him up.  His 94 patience allows you to re-sign him for the rest of eternity, he's close enough to his peak, and a low patience ML coach is only going to negligibly affect his progression at this point.
An aside: Patience determines chance of resigning?  I had read that low temper led to resigning, that is incorrect? Thanks.
9/13/2010 12:01 AM
MikeT23
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Posted by plague on 9/12/2010 10:39:00 PM (view original):
I think its the other way around. You are doing the world a dis-service by continuing the same path of giving the better teams a competitive advantage. I would rather see rebuild teams keep their young players in the minors and fully develop, rather  than bring them to the majors early  placing a negative impact to that teams future ability when those players best seasons are getting paid a premium, while the top teams can get take advantage of their top prospects best seasons at the league minimum. That is how the top teams win, they have the depth to let their best prospects fully develop.

If the player is good enough  too make my team I always bring them up their 5th season even if I am not a WS contender, I am talking about bringing players up their 3rd season and earlier.

Winning 60 games when you could be winning 80 isn't "helping" the world.     I'm not sure how you could even attempt to argue that.
9/13/2010 8:27 AM
tecwrg
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Posted by bluegreyjay on 9/13/2010 12:01:00 AM (view original):
Posted by deanod on 9/11/2010 1:53:00 PM (view original):
If he's going to play a significant role on your ML, call him up.  His 94 patience allows you to re-sign him for the rest of eternity, he's close enough to his peak, and a low patience ML coach is only going to negligibly affect his progression at this point.
An aside: Patience determines chance of resigning?  I had read that low temper led to resigning, that is incorrect? Thanks.
Yes, it is patience, not temper.
9/13/2010 8:30 AM
deathinahole
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Why do people think that prospects don't develop at the major league level?
9/13/2010 9:32 AM
iain
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If you're going to start a guy in the majors the following season, I have no issues with bringing him up 20+ games into the current season.

Assuming quality playing time (AB/IP = ratings progression), there's nothing to lose...imo
9/13/2010 9:50 AM
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So, the base recommendation is to leave a prospect in the minors for at least 3 full years and basically for up to 5?  Depending on the prospect, I've been calling guys up around 3-4 years if I think they've progressed enough.  In terms of overall projections and ind. category projections, I've been trying not to call anyone up until they are 5-8 points away from where they project to. 
9/13/2010 11:57 AM
MikeT23
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I'd recommend leaving them in the minors until you have to put them on the 40(their 4th pro season).   That is simply to delay arb/FA.   I've added a select few in their 3rd season just because they were good enough, I'd never send them back to the minors and I needed them to win more games.   Development plays no part in my decision as players develop in the Big Leagues just as well as they do in the minors.

9/13/2010 12:04 PM
MikeT23
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And, as an FYI, if I were to ever sign a player who was BL-ready and I needed him, I wouldn't hesitate to Strausberg him.
9/13/2010 12:05 PM
iain
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I've done that twice with internationals, to roaring success.  One as a late-season call-up, another without even a single minor league AB.  They both progressed nicely once in the majors.
9/13/2010 12:16 PM
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Posted by deathinahole on 9/13/2010 9:32:00 AM (view original):
Why do people think that prospects don't develop at the major league level?
Because their dumbass $10M scouts tell them their 6th year player still has a lot of room to improve, and then they call them up and are shocked that the guy doesn't improve.  Fingers get pointed at the ML being too much for their young buck, who still should be growing by the day.
9/13/2010 1:40 PM
MikeT23
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Sooooo.....people are stupid?
9/13/2010 1:46 PM
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I think calling him up in his 4th pro season after waiting the ~30 days to gain a year of arbitration rights is the way to go with those types of players.
9/13/2010 2:54 PM
deanod
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/13/2010 1:46:00 PM (view original):
Sooooo.....people are stupid?
That's the short version.
9/13/2010 3:03 PM
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Posted by deathinahole on 9/13/2010 9:32:00 AM (view original):
Why do people think that prospects don't develop at the major league level?

According to WIS, players can be brought along too soon, causing their development to suffer.  Perhaps that has only to do with losing the bonus for producing good statistics.  I can't say that's the only factor.  Is there someone here that can?  If so, why?


Then, maybe you can tell me why I had to shrink the text above and why I can't un-bold it.  ;-`


9/13/2010 7:45 PM
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